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Power Intergrations, Inc. W
Fairchild Semiconductor Internationat Inc.
Hearing I-
February 2, 2006
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Case 1 :04-cv-01371-JJF Document 222-9 Filed O3/23/2006 Page 3 of 4
Power Imergrations, Inc. v. Hearing
Fairchild Semiconductor International, Inc. February 2, 2006

water msc, 151 because it included an- the Erst patent also appears in the djSIiDCI.&DI!l[15l0l1CRDOthCI.NOWQWh1t
othernove1e1emc¤x.Wc11,161inthiscase, i::1eo1·po1atcd11:1 patemtbatapplicsjust Power Integmtions wants 1161 to do is
theother novel elememwasthe rn BSfhO\.1ghiIWQ.5iB[12]I:Z1.CI'C.SOEb.3.I theywanttoblur those voltages 1171
‘ oscillator element, that they misled the detinition, it’s a -—- it c1¤’t be 11a1 clearer together; so they can read them on
examinerzmrcprdingthatthe examiner than that I d0u't believe that that 1141 Fzird1ild’s 11s1 products.
believed was in 191 there. should be the dcfiniiion of frequency lm Fm not going to bchbm. mcse Im]
1101 So there was, at the time of 1111 Im'- poims.It’saJ1inourbrief.
prosecution, another novel elemeue So us: Nova again, Power Iutegtations IIiCS ml The m._¤daimmrmtbm·s¤isSuc mi
it (1065 [121 EDI {bil C2S¢. [161 E0 l'C2d SOIDC ]i1'EIil2.IiO¤S is And Fairchild
11a1 And if you do construe this as 1141 mE° Im f*"°‘l“°”°Y1“If*`b°P‘¤$*° “Y°‘d believes 1zs1 that it should be given the
means-plus·f1u1ction, it would need to P*"°" an- but {*8] dm S not appmpmtc- dehnition that it’s 1241 adding together
read on all 11s1 structures, including the Md dm tcm YW “"hY P9] ‘h°K“'”·} ‘° Hom two or more diEerem
sofcs¤u·zc¤mpac.1mr.11e1Compa dmm a purpose for that reason. Page aa?
1 [dm·uh1·nk an d dis mcs L 1211 Nova the_uext retin at issue is 1221 H] som-ees.It doesn': rczll make sense
11;; Tum set rm-ui :1151 detztikigd °°‘;IP*°d·j‘;d“§°"“d$h“k°‘.}*]·‘;’° mglf; rm you 1=1 add wscrhcr- Y
in our 1191 brief. And I wo11’t belabor the fg Wg.; addlspx cm gsm - 131 You I¤10w,you‘ve got voltages :11.2:141
point now to uga W H-Ymg ateaddedtogcther,andthey’re¤ot£1·om
1201 I'd like to tum now to the last 1211 [51 50¤1‘¤¢S- P¤W¤r I¤·
patent. and that‘s the ’8‘/6 patent. { _ ` Page as f¢£1'¤¤Q¤·S Wimi 51 I0 d¤ is ljh¤Y mmm
1121 The lim term thavs at issue is 1za1 111 between the parties was we thought md tm? °mh°‘d°°°h“ m’fY°“h“Y"
frequency imc; And as ML Sch.} that by [2] mmccud thc}, might mw] vohagemoneplaeeaudyoumove rszuto
kcnbach 1211 maicmd, theres 21 mm. aiieetanu its B1 clmrthat when y0u‘ve ¤¤¤¢¤5=r 1>1¤<;¤. dm wmchvw v<>¤*<=
shold question of got a circuit, youve gm {4] dcmcm c¤mhmed1s11r.Ar1dtheywamto¤keo1¤
—-—-—-—...?.» co1mectedtogether.AIot oftimes you 1s1 th? id¢¤ of addmg iw! Wm $°Pm*€
Page B3 have one between the 0the1:,:u1d tl1ey’1:¢: th-*1185 *`¤S¤¤h¤'-
m whcgm- gm should bc mnsmmd Ot coupled, 161 even if they’re not directly [11] A11dIbC1iC’VCd12£’SiI,YOIHHOH0f.[l2]
uot.Novm121tl1isisverydi£Eerenttha¤the €°¤¤°€t€d· _ Timk You-
DMOS issue that 151 Mr. Guy was dis- 171 Tbafs the way people in the art 181 11_;1THE c0URT:A11 tigh;.'I'ha¤k you. _
cussing, thi11k0fit.That’stI1ewaythccou:mhave {1 4] MR scHEHKENBAcH.Y0ur mmm.
141 And in this case; the reason a I5] [9] 1°°k°d at it- we [15].113dIO switch aromtnd here for;
_ limimtion rgleeded to be read into the [10]SOW'CW'CI1IbHCk2I1df0f!hWiT]1[hCm Scmnd 1
c1aim,as 161 edesctibed,isbecausethey 1111 and we said, Well, we think cou- _ .
speciEcal1y m disavowed it during pro- iiguted is better 1121 than cormecmed, !gIkTHE cmfm-r' Au¤ght‘Th°‘°'k Y°u*[m
secution. So it has to be 1s1 used to becausew11e1uscoup1edisclear1t$1it‘s °Y°“r mm;
breathe use audmeamugimome dzim mr directly connected, me wom me qw MR- 5¢iHERKENBA¢H=Y¤}1r_ H¤¤¤r.
1s1 Hcrc,we‘ve got differ-emease ]zw1101 ¤•=<1¤d [141 d¤cs.Wc thought Well, pw fm 1191 80mS *0 ¤'Y *0 do *1**5 m $°m¤
thg;3 dgccuy Ou pcm um saysgmgfit ple might confuse 1151 that and think it 5¢I¤b!¤¤¤¤ of 1201 ¤¤d¢1‘-
[11] 5imp[y [hg pu;-pggg, ygu IHCZDS [21] YVC pill up 011 [IIC SCICCI1 2 slide IZZI
Imovm if you’1·c 1121 just setaing forth the 1161 We said,You guys mean direct? They that YW d¤§¤'¥ haw- YI`5 ¤¤¢ mlm $¤¤
pu1'p0se,th21: docsn't11z1 breathe anylife 1171 would never give us a stmighrfor- of [251 RPT m i'¤$¤'V¤-
or meaning, and you don't need 1141 to ward answer. 11111 So we ate, like, Wc1L 1:41 So Fm just going to rely on showing
construe it. And the msc law In Re: 11:1 then, we are with [191 con1ig·
Paulsen, t11at's cited there. ured. F‘¤9¤ 88
1 1161 But ifyou did construe it, what 1171 1201 But ififs dear ifs not direct 1211 and !UiW0Y°'1·'?·¥h€“h3¤8iVi¤SY0u¤h·¤Yd
Power Iutegmtions saidis that he didn': it’s made cle-at that it's not direct, then COP? [21 Tiv-·¤ *¢$P°¤$€ ’·'¤$P¤¤d$ W Mi'-
111:1 uudezsmud our most recent cou- we 1z21l1ave¤oprob1emwiththa1.A¤das G¤Y$ ¤S¤¤Q¤t !31_¤1§¤l¤ th¤ $¤bS¤¤¤¤·
structiou. Well, [191 Your Honor, that I mentioned, [251 the cases make it very mdthc m*`3m¤SW¤·h*¤th°i*1$“bS¤1*C—
cousmictiou is directly out of 111111 the clear that coupled does 1241 not mmm rs; He direcxed you to, obviously; a 161
patent. direct. number of his own slides, and said that
1211 me confusion my arise bmusc 1; ——‘————-———— subsnjuc m mn only mem this block ¤f
ml aqmuy appeal-S in [hc -351 patent, l *°¤9° B6 12 atthe 1x1 bottom ofCo12k anti
whigh mms [B] wl-ying thc fmqumcy 111 Nom the mextterms that I'd like to 121 l10l§].’11:II1gC1SC.A£ld£]Z12.t[hC 191 reasonthat s
Opcmjgn of thc pulse rm width mud. brnetly cliscussare the volta,ges.And1the true is because Power Inregmuons 11111
mma mm bymymgme oscillation ‘876 131 pamr rcqvircs me vvimscs disclzimcd cvcrvrhins dsc m thc pw
thztaredis1:i.¤ct141f1omonea¤othct. · ·••
**39984 151 Now; why do we know E11CY’1’C 161 1 , 1 .
111 frequency ofthe oscillatoris referred distinct? Lt’sbec1use:1l1ofthosevolta.ges 1 · z · ..1- -- · v
to as I2lf1'¤q\.1C11CY jitter. m appear in one claim. 1 - - I .
1211 Nova the *851 patent was 141 iucor- 1211 They appear in Claim 19, which 191 ·e ` · ‘ ···
pomted by reference into the ’876 depe¤dsfromClaim 17.Soyou’l1l:i.1stsee * ·
patent 151 that we’1·e addressing now. 11111 primary and secondary voltage * - - ‘ v
When a patent is 161 iucorpomted by showing up in 17. 1111 Claim 19 adds P - -~ · >· - “ - ·- 1 ···
refc1·ence,thatme.ansy0u m iuoozporate suppiemenml voltage- _ 1 - ~ e
the erucire thing verbadm imo the 1a1 miIgy0u·vcg0u—_h1-ccd;E5cmmW¤rdS[uI` 11s·1 We did, but it was only that top 119]
other patent. {uz mgm yguwg gm to asmmc Lhcyvc layer 18. Can I have that laser back?
191 S0 every dCE¤j12l.0I1. thatappears in 1101 got 1141 different meanings, that t11e·y’1·e 1:101 Ifyou read what we said as opposed

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Case 1 :04-cv-01371-JJF Document 222-9 Filed O3/23/2006 Page 4 of 4
Hearing Power Intergrations, Inc. v.
February 2, 2006 Fairchild Semiconductor International, Inc.
[21] to the characterizations of it, the mv Page Q1 141THE 00URT=01¤1Y- _
Cl3l.Il1’[2Z] requires that these pockets of [H MR GUY:If I mx Yom. HDHOL E2, 151 MR. SCHERKENBACHJ mean, there-
the 122.1 source here which is wilhom nipping. ‘s 161 no — andagairtifs not — it's a lixrle
h1ghl1ghtcd 1DYCUOW,EL11d 1241 1t`S labeled , . bit 171 dense Iacknowledge Bur tI:1ere's
22,md thc dn-mwcrvc also 131 THE COURT: I m sorry I think he 141 _ in ig M Gu:
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sayst11at121tl1osehayetobewithinthe 3 ¤- FH.5 ° `
substrate.Andthc 151 applicantsaid,We1l, 161 MR. GUY: It’s ourcableihaveto m be E;·§,_? u. Saida?;?,:Eq1;f§§:3l;k`[12l
in Ooiak, `T11C}"1'C not 141 within the careful. And th E .d i
$U·b$UHEC.ThCY’IC W'ZYiI][hlS]2.y’¢1‘[§] ]_8_ [8] Your Honor. thc algllmcnt was Hmdc Thaiisggccznt 91 COl3k IS [Ml
11:1 layer 18 is — obviously ir’s not m the 191 tbarnotinthepmsemtdonhistorggbtu ' , Z .
base material, so there’s no argument at iuthe11¤1pater1t itself and the additionof g5lB“FI;h°t. °dg3gid'5]?'·'f Em °*DM0S 1161
3111111 thatifa substrate were limited on new rumor: in 1111 which they added *****8- M F _*°‘“hm“Bh'*h*;
jus; rp 12 1111 that these {wp pockets gf add1u0t1al language that was [I2] some- m?Ss °r msulmmg byu 9* mt-
HE(¢.l'l2.l2.1'C 11111 in the 1111 SL1bSEI2IC. mms ¤§U¢d¤;1S1;bS¤¤1¤-And 11 was 1111 °THE“*c";*3:T bc th _
1111Burbeyo11dtbar,rememberatthe11z1 S°m°th"“g_ _ (3 ° a?°°°°d“’ S "’· ml : E .“° -°
Sam dmc the applicant md: this {H] I-mg 1s_ by thm. thc HSI mony 1191 Pe threw up durmg hrs imual
argument, we 112.1 amended or they s°°°“d“Y subsmm Ugh; hm- Thi}? ugumcm
amcndcdthc hpccmmdcmo Sayumhc added that 11111 las new matter and 11] 1201 MR. SCHERKENBACI-l:We11, he put
subjsuatc mum includ:. other doped response a 1'C]CC£i0I]. I . up {21] testimony from our inventor.
1-cgmus 115] md could mdudc cmu- 1111 They still got a second IZ‘€]¢C£10H.,{1BI 12:11 THE COURT: Exactly
myers irrhey were there 111.1 re support `Y¤¤1H°¤9*-Mdmmchcc °f’h*'~Wh¤* 1111 1v11=1.scHE111 the transistor. d“;lY[1’1 S“d“`”·“h°i*` most ““q“j"°“1 was 1241 actually my second
111 S¤ w= did ¤1¤¤*=1=¤1=11=1 we M1 1111 ?1'3111§%1?S1L°°115"§`§%t11?“1§1F{1°1§ www";
being 1 substrate, 15111 we dld.I1’[ ey not minds DMOS I . · ’ *’¤¤¤ 94
anythingat 1191 allaboutlayer 16 or 1411ot . . cs' . I 111 THE COURT: Okay
being che substrate. [Z0}, We 1111111*1 say ml S° thm P°“?‘ him “b°“’ "‘Th‘°h [B' 111 wt. scneaxzuaacn-wher he 111111,
¤¤Y¥hi¤S at ¤-U about ¤1ih¤f d0D€d 1211 I layer md any disclaim md which hyd. l51W]12.TI]I1Ci11VCI1l0fS2.ldiS tha
regions not bcingthe substtaxeorwithin and SO ml fm-m' me Gamma °H°W°d 1111 BM mics, you
thc ml C thcmmammdm can 141 a OS structure a
S0. sub-Sum -h2 [0 b voltage s!:ructu1*e.No 151 doubt about rt. _\
12211 ,2§21¤,W€ ve e 1241 .e P sa 6]Ti1 resume thatMr.G ' d 1
about W']12I WHS OI DOI [1] subsuatc {7] {51;:0 I
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- . 151 And nowwhattheywantto doisgo 1-11 2* ut · Says S lm] cmsm
Q]L?1Q1c§YC“;“,“;‘k mpg] £db°W°;“§zFid’W§(;:1l‘·; 111111 111e 11e1-1111111111 or substrates I0 111 1111 T¤¢S¢¢hi¤S$¤1£ in *1121
- - . clude 151 pieces of thxs secondary sub Pam W'3Y1W 1S ¢1‘¢¤1 thm
Colak is a DMOS devrce, 12,1 therefore, I, 1 the IB] mmm Amiga me uc h-.‘_
wcwdisdajmcdcvuythingmvmgto s1:rate.tsa1s1competely—roeom- lm d-_ bllsm YM di}
Ml do with DMOS dwicuh ifs 3 mn _ pletelychange whatwassrudm 17111-18 Eg S11 1:2 ¢V1¢¢51 111 ¢Y V1!
sequitur. You 151 have to · read what Yun °‘g°‘ _ _ g ' -
eqmuy hgppcucd and scc what [6; WC 1111 The second po1r1t, however IS - · 1151 And the structure, the speerhe [16]
. . .- - . . . , . tbat's claimed in the ‘075 is
drdchsclaimandwhatwedrdnt 1s1THECOUFlT:!tndyo1upo1nt1sthats ag? so th C . ].l
ro_11·1oroo¤’¤¤¤1¤1v1111=¤1o¤·r¤o=11= 111 1111 = ·=¤¤¤r=*·=1¤ MOS —=====¤¤i¤¤1 .1.,.1111=1‘.L11,1 ad; 1i°1Y°£1`T,-E$£1’§`1e wing
mmm the Substmc P0¤i¤¤ of Um 1111 NFL GUY=Y¤S. ¤i>5¤i1-11€iY- Md 1121 the patent itself says which 1191 talks
¥F0$€C\|£i0¤ 191] which was clear- thars the second point. 111111111 mms. ’
0§);g§$é1dattimg 1111 THE COURT: See what he says. 111111 But the problem here is usingva 1211
S,,._1d,1,1mwc11,thc¤amj¤ctd1dn»,buy 1111 1111. sc111;111<1z111a11c1-111 1111r1e11.—1111111 1¤1¤=11>M0$ S¤¤ <>fs1¤1>¤11Y.s¤¤¤¤<¤1111c
1111 T.i1iSd.lSll£lCH011 anyway. 11¤¤ 11¤¤1s1¤m<=¤1»11·=1»- §?*g*f;:`;”“Y“I‘l;Ql“€»“.“Y°%;*]]k“9WWb¤*
11s1 The substrate was an argument the I161THE 00URT=1¤¤¤s¤i¤s1¤ §iV¤Y¤¤¤ cgstjhlc Jzmyou cmu SCI ctmcmut
[14] applicant made, and §g_¤k[y; it didn'; {IT] CIHDCC I0 get I0 that SCCOD.d 0116. I gmt
work. And [I5] so the real - the real dit1¤’t want [131 to cu: you off. I iust [2*] C°Iak· dm $¤'”cm’° of (:0131* ms `
bard; ground was about 1161 the surface §kS$;g§'€€¥ U9! F€$P0¤$€ from page 95
of e extended drain with the 1171 . e . .. . . .
Sw;f¤¤¤<1¤1io1¤1¤s positions, iwhich 1 11111 Mnscn-1E1=11<1;111aae111se there ere ;Q‘;§°,'§‘Q§Q°d?L;C°.] Fmt. m'fQf,“s§§1;*;;,“‘ °°"
P01¤¥€d¤¤I- two 1211 pieces of this. We disagree on H F . 1 .1d ' tm .
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°“°“gh"““““i““YF° <=¤1¤¤¤g~‘=w¤=¤¤¤= ml Ws ¤1S¤ mms - disclaimed, 111 v.e1,111ey=11 offthc 110111.
ML S°h°**°¤b°°h *5 *¤“=¤S Y¤¤-’ 1111 T1-112 oountr 1*1111 111111*1 agree 111111 11 11111 w11111111e1·e11 111 dispullt here 1111111111
1211 MR. GUY=Abs<>1¤¤c11n -—; the DMOS of Colak is not 111 at all thc
11111 1111; coum; 11111 me what your ml _ P°9° 93 DMOS or the Fairchild device. And 121
ugmmmwoumbccrcoummouwcmd 111 was afull CXCITJSIOD ofDMOS? that isnrreally a debate for claim 191
be on what 1241 he’s showing me and 121 MR.SCHERI(ENBACH:No, delinitely €¤¤5¤'¤¤¤0¤-
telling me about the ·-— 111 not. 1101 We can go into ir, and I actually 1111
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