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drugs? INMATE DAWSON: it was wrong. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: INMATE DAWSON: Uh-huh. Yes r because I know, .·you know,

And I made a mistake r but I

didn'.t really have nobody to talk to for guidance at that level. about that. And I was scared to talk, embarrassed But.as I said when I accepted Jesus

Christ in my life- that, that straightened out all my defects of characters 'and my shortcomings. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER go to AA and NA right now? INMATE DAWSON: Off and on. WeIll talk
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Good.

DQ you

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: about that.

The Commissioner will talk with you about _

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cOhvinced you to, uhr go to. San Antonio, Texas to live with a relative because they were
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about.your

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- the drug influence in the neighborhood. also used, uh, cocaine. INMATE DAWSON: Yes.

Uh, you

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PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: 21. What other kinds of drugs? INMATE DAWSON: That I s 'about it.

At the age of

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but not an alcohol problem, or did you hi3.ve- an - well

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you had an alcohol problem, too, because you got a drunk driving so to speak. INMATE DAWSON: Yes, ma'am. okay.; good.

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: Uhf have you ever been mazr Led? INMATE DAWSON: Twice.

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: were 'you married the first time? INMATE· DAWSON: Oh, let me see.

Tell me when

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: if you get it wrong. INMATE DAWSON: believe it was 1990. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: long did that last? _. - ._- .._ ..INMATE -DAWSON: _.Four-- years.__ .
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We won't tell

My

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marriage was, uhf I

Okay, and how

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COMMISSIONER SHELTON:

INMATE DAWSON:

I have a 14-year_ old daughter. From that first

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: marriage? INMATE DAWSON: Yes, mal am.

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: what's her name? INMATE DAWSON:

Okay. -And ."

My daughter or my first wife? Your daughter. ".' -

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON:

INMATE DAWSON.: ··-Mi8helle··Rene Daws·on PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON:

Do you have

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contact with her? INMATE DAWSON: . in Hollister I Yes, she's right up the street

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I call her every week. Does she come

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: see you? INMATE DAWSON: Every Friday.

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We get - we got

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Fridays back now l Friday night visits l 'so I see her every FridaYI every other Friday. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: brings her here?' INMATE DAWSON: Yes, ma'am.
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And her mother

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: still getting along with your ex-wife? INMATE DAWSON:

you're

Yes, we're good friends. Good. . . Tell me ... ..

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INMATE DAWSON:

1 1m married to; uhl my high

school sweetheart, Janice Dawson. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: still married to. her? INMATE DAWSON: Yes l mal am. Your high And you're

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: school sweetheart; huh? INMATE DAWSON: Yes l mal am.

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re-acquaint.ed whi-Le- you '.ve .been in here?'" INMATE" DAWSON:

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Her brother got killed and I

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called to say, send ·my condolences and PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: it, huh? INMATE DAWSON:
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That started

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Well, we always (indiscernible)· So, how long

COMMISSIONER SHELTON:

have you been: married? INMATE DAWSON: It will be 11 years in December.

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: Congratulations.· INMATE DAWSON: It I
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all right. Yes.

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: INMATE DAWSON: We're friends ..

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That's good,

important:

Uh, the record says here that, you

fathered a boy, but evidently that's not true or is -i-t.?· .. ---....-.. -.. - . - - .-- ..INMATE DAWSON: went t.o : the Army. -- - .. .. _.... ...._

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Yes, I fathered a son before I
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believe at Lancaster right now. . PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: And who's his

INMATE DAWSON:

Her name is Yvette Grant. So, that was

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON·: outside 'of a marriage relationship. INMATE DAWSON: Yes, ma'am . .

PRES-IDrNG. CO'MMISS lONER SHELTON:

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INMATE DAWSON: now.

I would say he's about 28 right

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PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: contact with him? INMATE DAWSON:

Do you have

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Because he's a correctional They tell me he can't be

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officer that1s not possible. there until I get out.

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER· SHELTON: might - they might consider that a -INMATE DAWSON: when 'my father passed. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: INMATE DAWSON:

Okay.

There

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But that was about it. All right. We1ve
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Okay, sir, we've talked about your family.

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employment experience did you have before you came in custody? INMATE DAWSON: I was a gas station attendant, a I was in the process

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janitor, and a security guard.

of going to street maintenance for the County of Los Angeles before I came to prison. I was in the process . Is there

of trying to do that (indiscernible) PRESIDING COMMISSIONER
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anything else that you would like to add to the 're-C2ord, uh , bas-ed-'on'your social h i at.or-yvt.hat; I didn,'t·_···,···......, talk about? We talked about children, marriage, ':;,'.--';:"

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vocation, employment, your family life. still alive? INMATE there. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: Take a breath, sir. for you. INMATE DAWSON: ago.
D~WSON:

Is your mom

Yes, she has a letter right

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And your dad?
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There1s some 'fancy Kleenex here

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He passed away, uh, three years

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PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: . And that affects you still very much, yes? INMATE DAWSON: Yes. I'm sorry to

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: hear that, sir. INMATE DAWSON:

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being ..h ez-e _beCaQS8_be_ .J:"a_i.s~d me _pette-.r~.tl.l~n_ tlli~. was out of my character by getting involved with somebqdy I had no business getting involved with. I was always focused. I had'a job.

And

I had never had I'm

problems getting a job or finding girlfriends.

just embarrassed by being in front of you people when
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I know I am.

And I was· just

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out of my character . . J had no business walking in somebody/s place of business with a loaded weapon, scaring the employees and taking money and run. And

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decided to take it upon his self to shoot and kill the

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security guard. ATTORNEY RUTLEDGE: Mr. Dawson. I'll,have to'caution you,

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Uh, the Board appreciates' of course V{hen But if i t is

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you talk about the commitment offense.

your contention to not' discuss it ,at today's hearing, you're starting to discuss
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and that would make you

subject to questions by the District Attorney, by the Board about the commitment offense. INMATE DAWSON: I understand that, but I just

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wanted.to say that because she asked abo,ut my father. I just wanted to PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: sir. I understand, You were

Evidently, and I'll sum it up for you.

very cl.os e with your family arid you think - you- 'feel you let
them,do~

because you weren't raised to behave

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_t.h~~ .; ..ay: _,It ,a,PPl?a:r;s_ y?u got_ ~I]-Y9.Jyej. .iI?;, .s.9~~ _se!.~o~E!._ w

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drug

s~uff

that led you down the wrong path.
D~ugs

INMATE DAWSON:

wasn't the problem, the, It was me being out

the cause of me being here today. of my character.

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PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON:

Being somebody

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INMATE DAWSON:

Correct. All right, sir.

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: I appreciate that.

We're going to go to Commissioner
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DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: sir. INMATE DAWSON:

Good afternoon,

Good afternoon, sir. I'm going to, uh,

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discuss some information that's listed both in'your CFile and in what we call the Board Report. Now, it's

possible, sir, that I might make' a mistake, or that I might' leave something important out. If you find that

I do that, please free to let me know so I can correct the record. INMATE DAWSON: Okay. All right.

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DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: . INMATE DAWSON: Yes, sir.

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: I'm going to' start
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All right.

What

is some basic information, to
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and your current custody level is Medium.A, is that correct? INMATE DAWSON: Correct. Okay. Your last

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hearing was April 15 t h of 2003, and that was your Initial Hearing, and you received a three-year denial .. You were. received here at CTF on September 8 t h of 1997, . all those accurate? INMATE DAWSON: Yes, sir .

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: .','okay... .ff.o.o.d."·"",,Uh, ....

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in regards to discipline you have a very, very good

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history with a'somewhat recent 115. 115s in your entire history. INMATE DAWSON: Correct.

You only have two

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD:

All right ..

Now,

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the first one was way back in April of '85, a long time ago. INMATE DAWSON: Yes, sir. Could I explain? Well, if you'd

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: like 'to I WQuld - sure. INMATE DAWSON:

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uhf I did everything right. cell
bec~use.the

just m~ved out of that

equipment in there r the counselors

and officers told me that the guy was a petafile. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: All right . . INMATE DAWSON: And, uhf one particular night _ _' !!;,r

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not, not with that.

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don't play that.

And I tried to tell the officers to let me out, move me, they wouldn't. They told me to hold on and they One particular night r he And

would try to find me a cell.

made a - he approached me and I defended myself. then things cleared up.

The officers had handcuffed

and they was taking him out. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: Okay. Now,

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DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: a mistake on the date.

Okay,

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When I looked at the dater I' Yeah, that incident was in

saw the 128 r' so Ilm sorry.
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Then the other one 115 was January of

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inappropriate sexual ,.behavior, uh , wi tha visitor. INMATE DAWSON: My wife .. Okay. And we

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have all read r uh , the file so we're aware of what that was r all right. Uhr the 128 was way back in '85 r
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as I mentioned the date, back in April of '85.

you actually have a verYr very good r uh, discipl'inary record. not Uh, I'm sure that you wish that '02 event had because it's closer to your parole

happene~

hearings.

And had that happened, you know r 10 years

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distant event r but it was '02, so it's four, four years ago. INMATE DAWSON: Yes r my wife, she demanded some

passion as far as we could go and, uh, conversed, but she said even - she wanted some passion or else she was going to find it on the street. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: right. Okay, well, all

Uh, but, uh, again, three - a combination of

three 115s and 128s all together for your entire. history, sir, is very, very good .. ·. Well,-,two·1':b5s, ,one .. ·· 128, so a combination all together of three

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disciplinary.write-ups for your entire history is excellent. INMATE DAWSON: Thank you. And you should pe Uhf let me go over

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: qongratulated on that, all right.

the history as reported since your initial hearing. From 9 of '03 to 9 of '04 r it states that you did not participate in any vocational training for that year, that you did not pursue any academics in that year. This is September of '03 to September of '04, okay. ·Yes, you've something to ATTORNEY RUTLEDGE: Oh, his - your Voc? Okay. Is there

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: something during"that period? INMATE DAWSON: Yes, sir.

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the guard here .. And have you got other things that you think I don't have in front of me that you would like' me to see and review I sir, do .you want me ·to see those, too? too, unles$ ATTORNEY RUTLEDGE: Yeah, we'll go ahead and Why don't we give those to the guard r

then you can figure out what to do.
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COMMISSIONER $ELLWOOP:

Thank you; sir.

Yeah, I mean I might as well seem them all, then I can take a look-at them. Tha·t's fine.' We'll.give them

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back to you, don I t worry.

Thank you. Thank you. Okay,

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: so, let's see. INMATE DAWSON:

You mentioned·the Voe. I was mentioning

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: vocational.

What t.hey said was there was no Okay,

vocational training during that period of time. so let's take a look here. INMATE DAWSON: completion. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: take a look here and see. Oh, there it is, sorry. Okay.

Well, that's my certificate of

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So, let's

Okay, this is dated - not. Okay. Here's, here's what

I'm going - according to this r sir r unless there's another one you
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September of 2004 r so for that one year because I'm covering times
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last hearing.

You've given me a certificate of completion for Vocational Graphic Arts. And it's presented on the

second day of October of 2001. INMATE sir.
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Okay, that's the one mistake,

COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD:

No, that's fine .

I'm glad we - maybe that helps you' relax a little, too, a ·little Lnt.ezchariqe.vand -INMATE DAWSON: The time frame.

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DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD:

Okay,

I'm sorry, But

I should have made that more clear to you, okay. this is great to hear.

My expectation is that this

was covered at the initial hearing, .and so it's already on the record. . And lim j ust; bringing thi s up to date since your last hearing r okay. INMATE DAWSON: Okay.
Sat that's what

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: ·I'm covering.specifically.

Sat let me take a moment

here and look at these - some -·these other things because I've something from t97 t something here from the year 2000 t again 200 t again 2000. Okay I and

herets your GED which you had earlier stated that you had accomplished t the GED t and herets that here. .t.hen - okay. Nowr we 111 see if I get to this.
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cover this one in this time period. from back in
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Okay.

Sat these items appear

that they should have been covered in the initial hearing. And this which is

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presentation. of

employment earning for Board of Prison Term Hearing. And these were your earnings prior to the last

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The vocational print shop

graphic arts department t too . DEPUTY- COMMIS.S.rONER SELLWOOD: Oh , you I·re.
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Finishing Supervisor which started between 30 and 65, 000 a year. INMATE DAWSON: Yeah, that's just the

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(indiscernible), earnings status of where he scheduled off the paying of the 'company. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: Should you· leave

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prison and go out 'and find a job as Someone doing that.
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COMMISSIONER SHELTON:

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part of nEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: parole plans. PRESIDING
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parole plans

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PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: -- so let me add this to my pile' over here. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: that's fine. Okay, good,

Thank you for bringing all that up.

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It's real important that the record is accurate, and that you agree that it's accurate. And that way, you

don't have to - you can come back at some time and say well that was wrong. We're going to do it right here. So, .let me from .September .of .. ,. -. ".'.".,-".,.W·,;,·:. again let me know

So, that's fine, no problem 'at all. continue. wi,th .tihi s o.·one"'y.ear "03 to
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if anything is wrong.

Work record, it says that you

were dropped from the Vocational Print Shop, nonadversely, it was not your fault.there too long, is what they said. INMATE DAWSON: Correct. Okay. Uh, group You had simply been

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activities you were not involved in any self-help group activities for that one year period, and you remained disciplinary free. onto the next year. Now, I'm-going to move

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This year being September of '04
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through September of 'OS, Vocational training, none.

for one year

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Academics, none~ All right.

Work Group Okay,

record, central -lunch box crew.

activities, none documented during that period.

and remain disciplinary - Yes, please, go ahead. _ _. INMATE. DAWSON: _As_ of . S_eptembe:r:: 1. :-- __ ..._... DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: INMATE DAWSON: machine operator. DEPUTY
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-- I'm in textile,-sewing

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As of September,

thiE! September? INMATE DAWSON: Yes, sir. Okay, that's

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PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON:

Oh, okay.

So,

we have that big blank spot from Janu~ry·to September then, huh? Do
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have a. record of that? I'm, I'm going -

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: I have .a Jar:lUary up through August. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: wond.erful . DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: January of this year,· sir, 2006 until

Okay, awesome,

.Okay.
Aug~st

So, from of this

year, okay, it says that there was' no vocational training, no academics, that you worked in'culinary, which I assume is the INMATE DAWSON:
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lunch box crew.

Yes, sir .. Same thing, okay,·

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disciplinary free.

And then from August up until this

date, the only thing I had in terms of new chronos, I did not have a chrono'- weLl, unless this is it. There's a chr'ono -Ln there dat.ed September 6 t h , so j list about one month ago. And it says that you .
Haza~dous

participated in the training on Cal-Osha Communications Standards. INMATE DAWSON: Yes, sir.

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD:

Okay.

And, uhf

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.INMATE DAWSON:

I got reassigned to the textile. Textile, okay.

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: INMATE DAWSON: Yeah, PIA. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER· SELLWOOD: now. INMATE DAWSON: Yes, sir.

You're in PIA,

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DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD:

So, you came out

of the lunch box crew and went over to PIA? INMATE DAWSON: Yes, si.r . Okay. And so

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DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: that was 90ntinuous.

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You had been on lunch box crew

all the. way up until that point and then you just went over there? INMATE·DAWSON: Yes, sir . Okay, good. And

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but I don't always know what it means in terms of what you do when you work over there. INMATE DAWSON: I'm a sewing machine operator. Okay. And when

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you do that do you take courses that also teach you how to be better at that along with actually with doing the work? INMATE DAWSON: No, sir. No, okay.
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DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: and ·here' s my -que sc Lon ,-. go ahead ..:. INMATE DAWSON:

So,

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of being,. uh, sewing machine operator. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: did that corne from? INMATE DAWSON: PDI, PIA. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: you're
sim~ly

Oh, you do, where

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Okay, okay.

So,

going back to something you've really

done well. INMATE DAWSON: Yes, sir. Okay. And that

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: leads right into my next question.

If you were to be'

paroled and you wanted to earn a living -- which you've talked about having jobs before and doing that - do you believe.that you are employable by someonei and why they hire you'; what is your trade; what is your sk i, i 1 ? INMATE DAWSON.:. A mattress. fabricator .. ,.DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: fabricator? INMATE DAWSON: Yes, building mattresses from Mattress

scratch and being a sewing machine operator, that's, uh, potential earnings of $8.00 an hour to $15.00 an hour. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: there, okay. INMATE DAWSON: Uh, I have, uh, as I said I have
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I understand'thework ethic. Yes. But you think

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that sewing would be'where your skills would bet where .you would seek employment? INMATE DAWSON: DEPUTY I have options. SELLWOOD: OkaYt what are

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Vocational graphic arts. Okay.

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DEPUTY. COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: INMATE DAWSON: Print Shop.

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INMATE DAWSON:

And t uh --

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you question about printing presses. exist in this new technological ..era? INMATE DAWSON: Yes.

Do they even

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: INMATE DAWSON:
DEPU~Y

Era,

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Yes. Era, era.

COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD:

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There's a couple of companies

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that use Xerox machines t and theyJre basically on the same format. DEPUTY.COMMISSIONER··SELLWOOD:.. INMATE DAWSON: Okay.

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the printing press down pretty good.

And I'm

confident enough with my abilities to - if I'm lucky enough to get my feet into any maj.o'r newspaper· company, I can run the press, I even load it up, you know, with the paper. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: . INMATE DAWSON: Okay. There's a

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bunch of stages in there that I s DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: If you had a

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choice and you were sitting in a job interview today, and she represented the printing press people, and I represented the sewing people, we both offer you a job which one wou I d you' go for? INMATE DAWSON: It would be the printing press

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because it's more money and more money from it.
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.Okay, See,

'y~ry

go().d,-.

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON:. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER ·SELLWOOD: INMATE DAWSON: sir. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: I understand.

I won.

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Now, let me

It depends on the company, too,

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Yeah, of course,

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I was just looking at your interest.

You would be more interested in the printing, . is that - that's what you're telling me, right? INMATE DAWSON: Yes, right. Like I said my

options are .open". " .. ' . "., "'_.....' DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: I understand.

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You donrt ~iw~ys get everything you want, but you've got the other experience.
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Yes, sir. All right, now

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let me look at

t~is

one.

This is a - that you1ve

handed me is September of '04 Chrono that says you've successfully completed an impact workshop consisting other 13 two hour sessions.
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Program is a

self-help therapy designed'to provide an opportunity for educational awareness as to the profound negative impact of crime'on its victims".
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I donlt think I

did cover that, so you1ve given me that one to put on the record. Okay, very good. Ub, 'now let me go, sir, I have a March 21 of

to the psychological reports.

2003 report, prior to that I ,have a July of 1995

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··That..! squite adistancein,hetween.thos.e.. so_
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I'm not going to, refer to the 1995 report old.
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itls very And 1 1 m let me

Ilm'going to refer to the ' ,2003 report.

going to take some information out of here, start with Substance Abuse History.
~Inmate

Dawson smoked marijuana and PCP for

several years until about the age of ,20.' From the age of 21 on, he used cocaine on and off. He also drank alcohol He has been attending
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Do you attend those, sir, on a regular basis?

INMATE DAWSON:

No, sir. Did you at some

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time them on a regular basis?

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INMATE DAWSON:

Yes, sir.

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long, sir?

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INMATE DAWSON:

Uh

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD:. I mean, two
months, 10 years?

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INMATE DAWSON:

It's been years, sir. Now, .when you

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were attending regularly did that .go for months or years?

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It was months,' like twice'a .. .. And twice a

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month.

And.did you go twice a month for two years,

five years, 10 years?

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years, sir.

.1 don't know exactly how many

It probably should be on -But do you think

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Yes, sir. It wasn't
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just two oz-. three t:imes·.·

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It was a long

period of time. INMATE DAWSON: Yeah. Okay, that's what

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: I was looking for.

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And when do you think was the last

time you attended an M or NA class? INMATE
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It1s been a while, sir. Okay. Do you

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About a year. About a year, Uh, under

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think a year, two years', five years? INMATE DAWSON:

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: okay.

Thank you, that's what I needed.

psychiatric and medical history: nlnmate Dawson was a participant in the Triple eMS Program until 1997. He was

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depressed_at .the ..time, .wa.s .eya-l.uqted_as.Xlo1:, _._ .'" __ . not a sociopath and was prescribed Vistiril for sleep. The inmate said about this, I was 'I

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wasn't seeing my people enough.

stressed out from moving to cell living to dorm living where it was very noisy. I

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couldn't sleep". Uh, the diagnosis was, nAxis One, poly-substance abuse in institutional remission. Axis Two, no

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contributory personality disorder, a GAF ": accxe-vof 80. Should this inmate at this ".
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prognosis for maintaining his present gains in the community is,excellent H
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Under

assessment of dangerousness, "This inmate has received only two 115 violations during his entire incarceration of 23 years. released to the community" - oh, If

excuse me .

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"Therefore it is felt that he would pose a less than average risk for violence when compared to the Level Two inmate population". So, he rates you as less of a risk for violence than the normal Level Two inmate. release to the community: "His violence potential is estimated to be no higher than the average citizen in the , . community .. _rh!9 _Laok Qt:. ?-+r.es.t
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behavior prior to his conviction r lack of violent behavior since his

and his

incarceration are reasons for the assessment of a.low risk of violence. Although he was

not the shooter in the particular crime for which he was convicted, he was using a loaded weapon to commit robberies, but he did not actually hurt anyone. He accepts

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accepting full responsibility in no longer trying to shift responsibility to the influence of his crime partner as he has in past evaluations". So, he'S noting a significant change in you, and that you're accepting full responsibility for all the things that happened instead of trying to lay some part of it off onto your crime partner. concludes my Rart, Commissioner.
PR~SIDING

And that

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COMMISSIONER SHELTON:

Okay. Mr.

Dawson, let's

t~lk

about your parole plans. Yes, ma'am. Are you okay?

INMATE DAWSON:

PRESIDING' COMMISSIONER SHELTON: INMATE DAWSON: Yes, mal am.

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON:

Is your heart

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through it.

I have a new report and weIll go through First of all, it says

the letters and stuff, okay.

for residence that you, uh, obviously would like to live with your wife. INMATE DAWSON: Yes, but upon if it's granted,

uh; she. and I would·be living with my mother seeing that she's 83-years old and she needs me there to take care of the house and do things for her. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON:. both move into -youz, uh, mom's house? INMATE DAWSON: Yes, ma'am. So, you would

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PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: in Compton? INMATE DAWSON: Yes, ma'am.

And mom lives

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: ·Would living there pose any problems for you? INMATE DAWSON: raised. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: where you also got in trouble. INMATE DAWSON: .Naw, I'm way past that. As I I know, that's No, malam,. that's where I was

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said, uh, the moment I accepted Jesus Christ in my life I straightened out all my defective characters and my shortcomings now. sitting here. As I said I shouldn't be . I

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I've never. involved myself in gangs.

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fact is, sir, you ·in fact are sitting here. INMATE DAWSON: Yes, ma'am, I am, yeah. So, you need to

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: own that and INMATE DAWSO~:

I accept the responsibility. Okay, good.

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON:

So, your mom's getting up there in years! right? INMATE DAWSON:". Yes, ma I am. :.
~RESIDING

;', " . Okay. What

COMMISSIONER SHELTON:

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about - we've talked about employment to some deg~ee.
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This one - this here says that you would, uh, secure employment using the skills you acquired in the offset printing and mattress fabrication trades. INMATE DAWSON: Yes, ma'am. Okay.

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: you have any idea where you might work? INMATE DAWSON:

Uh, do

Well, for s.tarters, for my
paro~e

second or third day' out on my
brothe~-in-law's

I would be attending

driving school, truck driving

school.

And in the meantime searching for employment

where 1 1 m skilled at. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: Tell me why you

would be attending truck driving school? INMATE DAWSON: .October, Because at my age, 1 1 1 1 be 51 in

I.might have. t.o just_ get. a. truck and. bEL

(indiscernible) California, if I have ·a good recprd (indiscernible) . PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: you're keeping your options open. INMATE DAWSON: Yes, ma1am. That's good. We'll This is Okay. So,

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON:

Let's take a look at your support letters. discuss - well let's disc~ss this one first.

your presentation, or this is what you were talking about earlier with, t.he. ··Commissioner about your potential earnings.

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INMATE DAWSON:

Yes, ma'am. And, uh, I

,PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON:

think it's very good of you to sit down and prepare this because it kind of gives you an idea of what to look forward to. I'm not going to read all of this.

But basically, you have gone through equipment operations and customer service and 'mattress fabrication, listing the variety of jobs'that might be availableDEPUTY COMMISSIONER (RECESS) DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: of tape one. PRESIDING ,COMMISSIONER SHELTON: And as I
w~s
SEL~WOOD:

Excuse me.

We're on side two

Thank you very

discussing with Mr. Dawson, we

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be available for you, ·and you listed down hourly and annual wages. INMATE DAWSON: Yes, mal am. So, uh, how -

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON:

where did you get these amounts from, out of curiosity? INMATE DAWSON.: in print shop. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: . Okay, good. . Out of the training books we had

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PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: You're doing good homework, sir. INMATE DAWSON: Thank you.

Very good.

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PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: about support Le t.t.e r s

Letrs talk Uh,

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I reviewed them briefly.

you have a letter from Janice Dawson, who would be your husband (sic). INMATE DAWSON:
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Wife.
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PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: said "husband", didn I t I? DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: Yeah, you did. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: figured she would be your wife. getting tired. else.

Your wife.

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I think my tongue is

I did that another time with somebody
h.usba~d. of t~e:

I called the, uh,__ c.l~e:nt t.he

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attorney. then.

That was kind of an interesting hearing Ub, your wife says spe's been She's attending And ahe' s looking into

Okay.

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employment with the probation department. INMATE DAWSON: Yes, malam.

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: . She wants to be a probation officer? INMATE DAWSON: Yes. Boy, you l.re,· : .. , ,,'" -», '

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to be partial to probation. letter.

Uh, so this is a nice

She's doing .what she can to· .he Lp get you, uh , And ob.viously, she l-S offering housing.

squared away.

And there" s transportation she's discussing and, uh, talking about helping you
wit~

completion of your Very nice.

driver's .education like you mentioned.

Uh, this is called uAnother Chance Outreach Ministry", signed by Rev. Ricky Hammond. you for over 30 years. INMATE DAWSON: We went to school together. Okay. And, uh, Uh, he says he's known

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they're offering you a position working with troubled youth.. You know .1 see that. a .lot. _ .Do. they. .pay. you ,

anything for that or is it kind of role model work? INMATE DAWSON: It's like r.ole model being, uh,
Uself~

(indiscernible) how can I say it now, explanatory".

It's like, Usee what happened to me by

doing certain things". PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: INMATE DAWSON:
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Yeah, good. straight".

Almost like
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~Scared

PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: be a role model .

Yeah, you would

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what I do just do what I say. one? INMATE DAWSON: Yes.

Do you remember that

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PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: letter's from your mom. a good job..

Okay.

This

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She thinks you1ve been doing.

She says she I s a senior citizen living

alone, and she would like to spend time with you. letter from your sister, Lynette. INMATE DAWSON: Yes. Uhf

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she thinks shets
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one whose husband is an instructor at the driver trucking school and, uhf plans to teach you how to drive an 18-wheeler: when you came in here? .INMATE DAWSON: _. Yes. _ PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: Oh, okay.
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was going to say that 18 wheels is a lot to drive. Uhf a letter from Roschandra (ph) Jones and, uh, it's a support letter, very nice. And we have a letter

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from Zetty Harvest, family friend. INMATE DAWSON: Yes. And, .uh, she

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has always seen you as a well-mannered young' man and thinks that you will be a useful citizen. n Lce-. support. Let.t.ezs INMATE DAWSON: ' Did I miss anything? No, mal am. SOl very ' .

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going to make sure you get all of this back so you can - as well as t.h i.s , so we can -: DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: get copies for your. file, okay. have on hand all those originals. Yes. uh, you can

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Always make sure you All· right, sir,

this is the portion of the hearing that we go into with asking questions. And we are not discussing the

offense, but I want you to tell me what you feel, and how you feel about not only the person that was killed in your offense, but all the other victims involved in the robberies. Tell me what, what's been going on in

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your head and heart and all that with that? . INMATE DAWSON:
1 ' m very sad about that.

As. I

said I .was .out.. of my charac.ter. by. putting a. loaded. weapon in
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hand, going in somebody's place of

business and scaring their employees. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: INMATE DAWSON: Dh-huh.

And through tpe impact

programming, it gives me - it gave me a'insight on fear that I caused some people (indiscernible) taking money and running. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: insight did it give you?
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something I have to live with for .t he rest of my life. I know I'm not directly responsible'for the'murder of Mr. Dwight cousin and security guard. But 1 1m

indirectly responsible because I participated in a robbery which I shouldn't have. If there was some

kind of way I could tell family how sorry I amr I would, without affecting them, .of bringing back anymore pain. 'If it was some way that I cou Ld , I

would give up a limb if it would bring. him back because he shouldn't have'lost his life. I shouldn't

have participated in no robbery in the first place. As I,said my father taught me better than that. it's - I was just ignorant in going along with something so stupid when.I didn't have to. stayed focused. '1 always had a job.
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It's,

always

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friends.

And this r this is just something I just have And I wish·

to live with for the rest of my life.

there was some kind of way I could·turn back the hands of timer I would do things differently. kept myself in the Army. PRESIDING COMMISSIONER SHELTON: all had that 20-20 hinds ight r huh? You know r if we Were you under I would have

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the influence of drugs or alcohol at the .time of the commitment offense? ; ..«. ".1'- _ -INMAT·E .DAWSON:· -No.· PRESIDING COMMISSIONER' SHELTON: No. ; _.-',:d.:.<· "'. Because I
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know we talked about the fact that you did have an . alcohol and drug problem . Okay . I I m going to go to

Commissioner Sellwood and see if you have any questions r because I can rt think of anymore. been asking questions all along. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: lIve So.t aome questions for you , sir'. Compt.on , is that right? INMATE DAWSON:. Yes r sir. Okay. And you ActuallYr I do. You came out of We rve

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came out of Compton in the early - late 60s r early 70s, basicallYr when you were a teenager that period of time period? INMATE DAWSON: Yes r sir. Okay. Compton in

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been in recent years, but it was still a -

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was still a pretty nice residential area then r but it has rough components in Compton. INMATE DAWSON: Ye s , but where my, where my

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paxerrt s stay at is very nice. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER area. INMATE DAWSON: Dh-huh r it was a nice Yeah r itr it had
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listened to you, and I watc~ you, and you talk with great earnest - earnestness[ if I can say that, with great sincerity about I wasn't raised that waYi I'm embarrassed to be here. ' Uh, you clearly have' lots of feelings about your father passing' while youlre in jail as a lifer for such a horrendous crime. So,

you've got this reference point that you talk about easily ,about your upbringing, and the people around you, but you did have a prior criminal history before the life term, is that right? INMATE DAWSON: Minor. Okay, minor but Were you

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So, what was goipg on with that?

just a rebellious kid, all those other things, what was, .t hat; about.? - , INMATE DAWSON: ,It was' just bad judgment[ sir. You don1t have I mean who I

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the,lean forward, just - okay, all right. were you doing stuff with?

I don't mean the names. Were

mean like the kids[ the bad kids on the side? you choosing bad friends, what was going on? ,INMATE DAWSON:

Some bad friends, but we were -

I wasn't; ,I wasn't involved in any gang activities. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: .INMATE,DAWSON: Okay.
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little (indiscernible). character.

I was just out of my

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talk about your character as the guy who goes home and mows the lawn because dad wasn't able to do that' anymore. INMATE DAWSON: Yes, sir. I get up every

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morning and go to work. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: work. And you go to

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And you talk about that as if that's your And you say I was out'of character. But

character.

you were out character more than once. INMATE DAWSON:'" Yes, sir. It wasn't the

DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: life crime.

There were these other things. Yes, ..six . ., Did you view that

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at the time as being out of character for you? INMATE DAWSON: Yes, sir. So, even at the'

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shouldn't be

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INMATE DAWSON:

Yes, sir, because that was, that

would be because of the guys that I'm meeting. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: something that I understood -INMATE DAWSON: It energizes. I understand.
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You said that I do understand but I want to ask about it.

As a person listening to you, you talk

about accepting Jesus Christ, and you said the words, "And that cured my defects", qnd you talked about those defects. nOh, One could be - one could question you,

so now you're the perfect guy because Jesus You don 't' have to think' about
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you're cured".

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It's an ongoing thing. SELLWOOD: So, what is it

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cured that part? INMATE DAWSON: I would he
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no longer out of character doing things against the law, of breaking the la.w. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: So, you've

learned how to stay within your character? INMATE DAWSON: wi thin the law. .DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: And you credit to Yes/ sir/ very much so and

some extent the power and the strength of Jesus Christ helping you do that? INMATE DAWSON: things within here. DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: Okay. I needed I 'And my learning and seeing

to hear 'you talk a little bit more about that. wanted to make -INMATE DAWSON: DEPUTY Okay. SELLWOOD:

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weren't just saying, "Oh/ okay, I accepted Christ so the world's fine now n INMATE 'DAWSON:
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No, sir/ the world is not fine.

We got Afghanistan/ all right, the world is not fine: DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SELLWOOD: past you've been out of character. about it.
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