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I N THE SUPERIOR COURT O F THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA I N AND FOR THE COUNTY O F SANTA CLARA
BEFORE THE HONORABLE SOCRATES PETER MANOUKIAN, JUDGE DEPARTMENT NO. 7

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EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY, e t a l . ,

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AND RELATED CROSS-ACTIONS.

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REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS HELD ON AUGUST 18, 2006

A P P E A R A N C E S:

FOR THE P L A I N T I F F :

CAROLINE McINTYRE E R I C WARD ATTORNEYS AT LAW LA,RRY BRENT GXRRETT ATTORNEY AT LAW ROBERT J. SCHUTZ JAMES MOORE ATTORNEYS AT LAW GEORGEANN M . WILES, LICENSE NO. 10339 CSR

FOR THE INDIVIDUAL DEFENDAN.TS :
CLAIR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY CONSULTANTS : O F F I C I A L COURT REPORTER:
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McIntyre f o r P l a i n t i f f Eastman Kodak Company. THE COURT:

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Yes. E r i c Ward, Your Honor, f o r Kodak and

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also Mirage.
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Your Honor, L a r r y G a r r e t 5 ,

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Myers, c o u n s e l f o r t h e i n d i v i d u a l d e f e n d a n t s . Your Honor, I ' m James Moore of Thelen

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seal.

So t h a t w i l l be g r a n t e d .

The motion t o compel t h i r d p a r t y WiImer H a l e ' s
f u r t h e r r e s p o n s e s i s c o n t i n u e d t o September 22 by s t i p and order.
And what time d i d I a s s i g n i t f o r , do you remember?

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set of discovery. Who wants to speak to that first?
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Mr. Schutz, go ahead. Yes, Your Honor, thank you.

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there was never in any meet and confer an assertion by the plaintiffs that we waived our right to interpose this objection. And that in their opening brief they did not raise waiver as a basis to prevent us from interposing this objection. It was only in their reply brief that they brought it up. In the Court's order, the Court cites the practice guide and two cases for what appears to be some general proposition that if an objection is not interposed, it cannot
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appear in the Court's tentative order, those cases involve
i s s u e s of privilege, Your Honor.

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attorney-client privilege initially, you cannot later then interpose the attorney-client privilege. In the other case cited it involved what the Court con

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classified as a trade secret action.

And it was like

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The defendant did not want to produce documents

claiming that they were trade secrets. And so it was an issue of.whether these documents had some type of privilege attached to them. Again, the court held you can't interpose
a privilege objection like that.

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There's no case, and none has been cited, that deals with the issue of defining a trade secret to shake the scope of discovery. And when we objected on the basis of 2019, it's basically just a variation of a relevance objection or a burden objection. Because they defined it

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trade secret in a fashion that it is going to govern discovery going forward and without enough specificity. THE COURT:
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on the waiver issue, judge, there

is no case law to support waiver under these circumstances.

Even the defendants -- excuse me, even the plaintiffs at the meet and confer stage do not believe that we waived it. Even their initial brief does not believe we waived it because we never raised it. It was only this last-minute waiver.

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And again, if I may, Your Honor, then I'd like to address the merits. I don't know if you want to --

THE COURT: Let me hear from Ms. McIntyre and Mr. Ward on the waiver issue. MR. WARD: Excuse me. Eric Ward.

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That i s , t h e r e i s no case

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And 1 b e l i e v e , Your Honor, t h a t when you l o o k a t

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t h i s 2019 o b j e c t i o n , i s t h e p r i m a r y r e a s o n t h a t t h e

i n d i v i d u a l d e f e n d a n t s have n o t d i s c l o s e d a s i n g l e document ir t h i s case i n t h e e i g h t months t h a t d i s c o v e r y h a s been

ongoing.

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i t a t l e a s t t o t h e realm of a p r i v i l e g e and t h e c a s e law t h a t you c i t e d i n t h e t e n t a t i v e r u l i n g is analogous t o t h e s i t u a t i o n t h a t w have h e r e . e

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M observation i s t h i s , t h a t i n s o f a r as y

2019 i s concerned on t h e t r a d e secrets, t h e r e i s no case one

way o r t h e o t h e r .

But i s n ' t it t r u e , g e n e r a l l y , i n l e g a l

p r a c t i c e t h a t i f a r i g h t i s n o t a s s e r t e d i t ' s deemed waived?
NOW, you -- you know, l i k e a n o b j e c t i o n d u r i n g t r i a l .

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Q u e s t i o n i s asked, h e a r s a y answer is g i v e n . o b j e c t s , it s t a n d s . secrets?
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p r o p o s i t i o n what you s t a t e i s t r u e ; however, t h a t ' s n o t t h e s i t u a t i o n here.
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p r i v i l e g e , i f you s t e p back and s a y , t h e r e ' s a r e q u e s t f o r documents and t h e r e ' s n o t an o b j e c t i o n of some t y p e , b u t no

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fundamentally different than this situation. Our situation was, they asked for documents, we interposed several objections. One of which, Your Honor, I

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think this is important to keep in mind, was that at the time there were various motions pending to have the case stayed because there's related litigation in Delaware federal court, and we said, among other things, that it's not timely. We don't think we should have to respond until the issue is decided of which case is going forward because at that time it wasn't clear whether the case in California was going to be stayed; the court had not ruled on that. Subsequently, after the court ruled on the motion to stay, we interposed an objection on 2019. So it's not as

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if, Your Honor, you know, the first time around we said, you know, we've got all that

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although we did interpose some

additional objections, and I would like to point that out. So if you couple the procedural posture when the first round of objections came with this, Your Honor, we objected in.addition to the procedural posture objections, we objected on grounds of undue burden and relevance. not a new objection or a different objection. 2019 is

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situation than interposing the new objection of privilege.
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were t h e s t a n d a r d o b j e c t i o n s t h a t were c o n t a i n e d i n r e s p o n s e t o e a c h of t h e s p e c i f i c q u e s t i o n s and document demands. And

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a l i n e number i n d e f e n d a n t s ' p a t e n t s .
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I t ' s important t o understand t h a t t h i s
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r e a l l y i s n ' t a t r a d e secret c a s e .
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They d i s a g r e e w i t h you.
Well, a c t u a l l y , t h e y d o n ' t ,

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S t . C l a i r , i s t h e r e c o r d owner of s e v e r a l p a t e n t s .

W have e No

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t r a d e secrets case on t h e p a t e n t s .

I ' v e t r i e d t o v e r d i c t on

behalf of S t . C l a i r t h e s e p a t e n t s , and we've won a t o t a l of
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companies. litigation.

What t h e y want i s t h a t money o r some p o r t i o n of We're going t o g e t i n t o They w a n t

t h a t money o r all of t h e money. that.

They d o n ' t want a n y t h i n g f o r t r a d e s e c r e t s .

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t h e money t h a t S t . C l a i r has g o t t e n f o r p a t e n t i n f r i n g e m e n t ,

and t h e y ' r e somehow t r y i n g t o s a y very e a r l y on t h - t r a d e secret, t h e n i t t u r n e d i n t o p a t e n t . And t h e y ' v e

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simple, we've g o t t h e p a t e n t s .

They've r e a d them.

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s a y t h i s p a t e n t . , which has t h e i n d i v i d u a l d e f e n d a n t s ' names on them as i n v e n t o r s , t h e y can p i c k them up, and t h e y can p o i n t , y e s , r i g h t h e r e where t h e y went t o t h e p a t e n t o f f i c e s and t h i s i s o u r i n v e n t i o n , t h a t ' s t h e t r a d e secret.
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won't do i t .

I mean, i t ' s e a s y .

They can s i t t h e r e and s a y , h e r e ' s what t h e i n v e n t o r s a i d t h a t they invented.

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The i n v e n t o r s , t h e t h r e e

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was e v e n t u a l l y reduced t o p r a c t i c e and p a t e n t e d .

And a t t h e

t i m e it was p a t e n t e d , it became, by law, a m a t t e r of g e n e r a l
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d i d n ' t know about i t .

I t ' s unusual i n t r a d e s e c r e t l a w

b e c a u s e t y p i c a l l y t h e p l a i n t i f f knows what t h e t r a d e secret

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d e s c r i b e d t h a t i d e a i n a way t h a t ' s v e r y s p e c i f i c . t h e i n v e n t o r s know what t h e y t o o k .

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terminology i n t h e i r discovery r e q u e s t s t o u s . what it was.

And a s t h e Court p o i n t e d o u t i n t h e t e n t a t i v e

r u l i n g , it i s n o t o u r o b l i g a t i o n t o go through and d e s c r i b e i n minute d e t a i l what t h e t r a d e s e c r e t c o n s i s t s o f .
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I ' m going t o have t o look a t t h i s a g a i n .
point.

Go on t o t h e n e x t

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B r i e f l y , Your Honor.

Again, t h i s i s

an unusual d i s p u t e about d e f i n i n g t r a d e s e c r e t . a s k i n g t h e m t o do something d i f f i c u l t .

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case law that will provide guidance that's particularly helpful on these issues. THE COURT:
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they hope to drive a semi-truck, judge. And discovery isn't about driving semi-trucks through holes. THE COURT: argue on the merits?
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Any other point that you wish to

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No, Your Honor.

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Garrett, M r . Moore, a n y t h i n g ?
No, Your Honor.
No.

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I'll t a k e t h e matter u n d e r s u b m i s s i o n .
A c t u a l l y , go

I just had a t h o u g h t I want t o d o u b l e check.

ahead.
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t e n t a t i v e we'd l i k e t o a d d r e s s , Your Honor. i n t e r r u p t here.
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Okay.

Go ahead.

SCHUTZ:

There was a n o t h e r p a r t of t h e

t e n t a t i v e , Your Honor, d e a l i n g w i t h j u d i c i a l n o t i c e .
THE COURT: MR. SCHUTZ:

Yes. They had r e q u e s t e d c e r t a i n t e s t i m o n y

t h a t t h e C o u r t t a k e j u d i c i a l n o t i c e of i t .
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Right. I n t h e t e n t a t i v e you d i d .

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They c i t e d no support for t h e p r o p o s i t i o n t h a t you

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you know something about t h e l o c a l customs t h a t M r . Schutz might, n o t .
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L i k e p u t t i n g my hands i n my p o c k e t s , I Thank you, Your Honor. And I t o o k h i s a d v i s e .

w a s n ' t aware of t h a t .
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(Whereupon, a discussion was held off the record.)

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