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No. At the time
I
I
didn't know anybody in Chicago.
misunderstood the question. The question was -MR. WEBB: You can make an objection then to the
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A
Do you know someone now?
(
6
question. You should not be directing the witness as to
know -- well, my husband worked there, near there, so we have friends that are over there.
And on January 6th did you and your mom have any
conversations
what answers she should be providing.
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didn't. The question was, does
about your plan to join the Army?
7
8
she recall taking
a
pregnancy test and she's reading
ordered.
I
7
8
A
something that
is
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A
Yes. After got back from the hospital. What did you talk about?
She told me, she called the recruiting station to ask what shot I got, and she told me she was told that I
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THE WITNESS: Like
n
said,
I
don't remember taking
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She's already answered that
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question.
MR. WEBB:
Right.
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A
wasn't going to the military. So whenever she told me, I called Kopf and I was trying to talk to him about it, but he mainly put me on hold.
On January 6th you called Kopf?
the question at this point.
MR. HOROWITZ:
I
didn't inquire of anything.
15
16
Yeah.
And what did you talk about?
16
17 18
Q
Document speaks for itself.
Were you concerned that your symptoms were the result of
vaccinations?
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A
17
18 19
19
asked him why he told my mom that I wasn't going to the military. And he said, well, let me
Like
I
said,
I
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21
didn't think nothing of it. My mom is the one that brought it up, and she said, well, you should -- she asked me what happened, so I told her and she said,
well, go in and see
20
21
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A
check your file and he put me on hold. And hold like 10 minutes.
Where did you
call
I
was on
him at?
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23
what they say. So
I
went into the
22
23
At the recruiting station.
Did he ever take you off hold?
hospital and got checked out.
Q
A
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A
24
What
did happen?
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3
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What do you mean?
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Yeah he took me off hold and then he said, I'm still looking for your file and wait a minute and he put me on
52
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A
y" ioot ,,;d y"
told
yo", mom wh,t h'ppe",d?
I
hold again. And whenever he got back on he says,
I
I've
Well, she asked me -- because the MEPS in Sioux Falls.
How many shots did you get?
I
told her
I
got
shot at
2 3 4
got your file right here and I'll make corrections. And
4
5 6 7 8 9
Q
A
got one.
smallpox shot, and he said everybody
5
6 7 8
a
Q
A
Did they tell you what sort of shot it was?
was like, well if I'm going into the military, why are you lying to my mom, and he said, no, she misunderstood me, mainly stuttering. He didn't talk too much.
Q
A
told him,
I
He said it was
a
How long did you talk to Sergeant Kopf for?
was getting the shot for smallpox.
Q
Did you tell the doctor that you had gotten
smallpox
9
10
11
A
didn't talk to him for long. He mainly put me on hold and I waited a few minutes. I was on hold most of the
time.
What time was it when you called Sergeant Kopf?
I
I
shot?
I
10
I
think
mentioned it.
I
might have mentioned it, I'm
take any form of medication,
11
Q
A
12
13
Q
not sure.
On January
12
don't remember. Towards that afternoon, late
6,2003,
did you
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afternoon.
Q
14
15
16 17
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either over the counter or prescription?
I
14 15
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After you talked to Sergeant Kopf, did you tell your mom
about that conversation?
know
I
took Tylenol.
Q
A
How much Tylenol?
I
A
can't remember.
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18
18
Yes. She said, well, what are you supposed to do next. And I just sa id, like he said, I was supposed to wait
until April.
Did Sergeant Kopf ask you if you were pregnant?
Q
At that point on January 6th, did you have any future
career plans besides joining the Army?
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19
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A
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A
No.
I didn't
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hear you.
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No.
Did Sergeant Kopf make any additional calls to your
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Q
No.
Did you have any plans to go to college?
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A
house?
Q
A
No.
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No.
Did you have any plans to go to Chicago?
Let me object. When? Ever?
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I'll clarify, counsel.
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with Sergeant Kopf, did Sergeant Kopf on that day make
any additional calls to your house?
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3
Unannounced? Yeah, because he's never done that.
He didn't call before he came?
No.
On January 6th, did you have
a
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A
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boyfriend?
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6 7 8 9
No.
What did you do after Sergeant Kopf arrived?
On January 6th? No.
Were you dating anyone?
Q
A
Q
A
He told me
I
needed to go to Sioux Falls to get things
I
No.
On January 6, 2003, were you at any place or any
Q
establishment where alcoholic beverages were sold or
served?
A
10
11
told my mom, I have to go back to Sioux Falls, so she told my dad to talk to him. She said, you're not going
cleared up. So
I
went inside, and
I
said, he said
10
11
No. They don't allow alcohol on the Reservation.
Were you at anyone's house where alcohol was present?
anywhere until we get some answers. So my dad went outside and he talked to him, and he told him that I had
12
13 14
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A
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19
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A
to be resubmitted, that my paperwork had to be
No.
Did you have anything of an alcoholic nature to drink?
resubmitted, and that
I
I
would be back the next day.
Q
A
Were you standing outside?
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19
No. At the time
I
didn't drink.
was inside with my mom.
Q
A
On January 6, 2003 did you take any drugs or narcotics?
Q
A Q A
Do you have any plans for January 7th?
No.
I
didn't do drugs either.
No.
Anything you had to rearrange to go to Sioux
Falls?
I
Q
Let's turn to the next day, January
7,2003.
On that
day how was your health?
A
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21
It
was good.
I
was feeling
a
little bit better.
I
20
21
Q
He just -- anything I had to do? No. All grab a pair of clothes.
So what was your understanding
in
did was
slept through most of the night.
Q
A
of what needed to be done
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Did you have any remaining sickness?
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Sioux Falls?
I
23
Yeah.
I
I
was still feeling
did
a
little queazy, but not like
He just said
evaluation.
needed to resubmit
Kopf
a
height and weight
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the counter or prescription?
I
qualified at the MEPS station?
A
can't remember.
Probably Tylenol.
I
don't remember.
I
2 3
No,
I
didn't. Nothing like that came into my mind. He
3 4 5 6 7 8
9
Q
A
What happened on the morning of January 7, 2003?
I
explained that my paperwork got messed up and that he
ne-eded, it needed to be resubmitted.
Q
got up and went to go see my aunt, and when
was
4 5
6
walking back from her house we noticed that Kopf's car was in the driveway, and he was talking to my dad.
,
Did you show him any of the paperwork you had from the
last visit to the MEPS station?
A
Q A Q
A
Where does your aunt live?
7
8 9
No. He just told my dad that
I
needed to go back, so we
She lives
a
few houses away from me.
didn't really question it.
Q
A
What's her name?
What direction
East.
is
Sioux Falls from your house?
10
11
Noritta High Hawk.
When did she first see Sergeant Kopf?
10
11
Q
A
Q
A
What roads do you take to get there?
I
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13
When we were walking to my house.
You said you saw his car.
12 13
Q
A
What color was it?
a
don't know the exact roads, but we usually get towards 1-90 and take it all the way to Sioux Falls.
How long were you planning to stay in Sioux Falls?
14 15
16
17
18
It
was green.
a
It
was like
Suburban kind of car.
14 15
16
Q
A
Q
A
Was it
government vehicle?
He said
I
would be back the next day.
Yes.
What's the first thing that Sergeant Kopf said to you?
Q
A
What did you bring with you?
Q
A
17
a
Just
a
pair of clothes.
He said that
I
had to go to Sioux Falls to resubmit
18
19
Q
How did you feel about traveling with Sergeant Kopf to
Sioux Falls?
19
height and weight evaluation, because my paperwork was
all messed up again.
Q
20
T
20
21
A
I
joked with him.
I
said, I'm not feeling good, so
I
Were you surprised to hear that?
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23
24
25
Q
might throw up in your car.
Q
Well, at the time it gave an answer to my mom of why he
told her that
I
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Were you worried that he would act like he did at the
hotel?
wasn't in the military.
I
He said the
paperwork got messed up and
PM
had to go back again.
A
No.
Do you have any family in Rapid City?
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have my Uncle Richard, but
I
don't know where he
1
no, they live this far out; I've been down road before.
And
I
lives.
Do you know your uncle's last name?
2
3 4
it
was pretty much quiet.
I
didn't know what to
1(<"
Black Elk.
Do you remember what time
1\
6
think. He would ask me questions, like he asked me, if somebody hid a body out here, how long do you think it
would take them to find it, or do you think they would
find it.
Q
A I
Q
was approximately when you
5
6
got into the Suburban with Sergeant Kopf?
A
didn't know what to think.
7 8 9
Around 9:20.
And what direction were you going when you got started
driving?
7 8 9
I
What happened next?
Q
There is another dirt road connecting with the dirt road
we were already on, and he turned
telling him,
I
on it, and I was
10
11
A
I
don't know directions.
just know he said he needed
10
11
don't think anybody lives out here, but
a
to go see somebody in Manderson, and that's kind of
north,
Q
A
he kept driving and he drove about
couple hundred
12
I
guess.
12
13
I
yards off the main dirt road, and he parked behind this
big hill.
Q
A
13
14
What road do you get on to go to Manderson?
I
don't know the roads.
I
know they're numbered.
14
15
16
How long had you been driving at that point?
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don't know which -- we don't have street signs or
nothing.
Q
A
Couple miles.from the main road from Manderson.
And from the time you left your house until you arrived
Q
17 18
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21
Is Manderson
in
the same direction
as Sioux Falls?
17
18
A
behind that hill, do you remember how long it was?
like
I
said,
I
really don't know directions. He just
No.
I
know it takes 10 minutes to get to Manderson from
said he needed to talk to somebody
Q
A
down that way.
19
Wounded Knee.
Q
A
What did you and Sergeant Kopf ta Ik about in the car?
20
21
Did you ask why you stopped?
I
a
Nothing.
He just asked me -- he told me, good morning,
I
asked what he was doing, and he said he wanted to get
chance to talk to me.
22
23
and asked me how
was doing; how
I
was feeling.
He
22
23
Q
A
told me that my mom and dad
were really concerned so he
And did you talk at that point?
24
wanted to clear up any trouble he might have caused.
Q
Did you
24
25
Yeah. He asked me if
He said he noticed
I
I
was still arguing with my dad.
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3
talk about any family issues with him?
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was sad lately. He said he wanted
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A
No.
Did you talk about anything that was causing you stress?
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A
to know what he could do to help make it better.
Did you say anything to Sergeant Kopf?
I
Q
A
No.
Did you mention any medication
just told him,
I
don't know what
I
can do to make it
4 5 6 7 8 9
Q
that you were taking, to
4
5
better. He tried to grab my hand, and he said he wanted
Q
A
Sergeant Kopf?
A
He asked me if
all
I
I
got prescribed anything, and
I
told him
6
to take care of me. What did you do when he grabbed your
I
hand?
was taking was the Tylenol.
7
8 9
pulled away.
I
got mad.
I
asked him what he was
Q
Did Sergeant Kopf mention the trip to Sioux Falls during
doing.
Q
A
your phone conversation
A
on January 6th?
What did he say?
He asked me if
I
10
11
No.
So the first yo'u heard of it was the morning of January
10
11
liked him. He was telling me that he
Q
felt
that
I I
was the only one that understood him and said
made him happy, so he wanted to make me happy.
12 13
A
7th?
12
13
in
Yes.
What happened next after you were driving
the car?
And he leaned over and tried to put his arm around me
Q
A
14
15
16
Q
A
14
15
We drove towards Manderson and he pulled onto this dirt
road called White Horse Creek.
and he said he wanted to take care of me. What happened next?
He was leaning on me, and he was trying to kiss me, so
I I
And it's
a
a
dirt road
I
16
17
where there's people that lived like
didn't think nothing of it, because
lived down that way.
Q
A I
mile down. And
a
17
18
19
Q
A
was pushing him away and telling him to stop, and he was
saying; come on,
Did he stop?
18
19
had
friend that
thought you liked me.
20
Had you been on that road before?
C'
""",
20
21
No, he started pulling at my sweater, and he was rubbing
his hand up between my legs, and he was pulling at my
Yeah. like
way.
I
said,
I
have
a
friend that lived down that
22
23
I
pants.
Q
23
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A
And what happened next?
Can you tell me what parts of your body that Sergeant
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25
He drove past all the houses, and
was telling him,
I
24
Kopftouched?
A
didn't think anybody lived that far out. And he's like,
25
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my legs, and his hand went up my shirt and he was grabbing my breasts, and he was licking me, and he was tugging on my ear, and his hand went under my shirt. I
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it was wrong because he was my recruiter, because he was married, and he had kids. And he said, oh, that don't
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matter, I'm going through
Q
A
a
divorce anyway.
I
was pushing him away, but he grabbed my hand and he put it behind my head, and he leaned on me, and I pulled for
the door handle, but the door was locked.
I
4
5 6
Did you talk about anything else?
I
was pushing
7 8
9
Q
A
wanted in the military. He said his job was to get people what they
wanted, and he said it didn't matter if he altered
paperwork or lied.
He told me he could get me anything
him away and telling him to stop, but he just said that
7
8 9
Q
A
was feisty, and he liked it.
Did your clothes stay on during this?
What happened next?
I
10
11
He unbuttoned my pants, and he was pulling at it.
Were any of your clothes torn?
10
11
told him
I
didn't care,
I
just wanted to
go home.
Q
A
Q
A
Did Sergeant Kopf ever threaten to harm you?
12
No.
Lavetta, help yourself to the Kleenex, if you want.
Did
12
13
Not outright.
Can you explain your answer?
13
Q
Q
A
14
15
A
you have any marks on your body?
14 15
Like
I
said, he mentioned if somebody were to hide
I
a
No.
Any bruises?
16
17
body out there, and
Q
didn't know what to think, because
Q
A
16
17
we were way in the middle of nowhere.
By this encounter did you suffer any physical harm?
No.
Any scratches?
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21
Q
A
18 19 20
21
A
MR. HOROWITZ:
I
object as to form.
No.
Did you touch Sergeant Kopf?
I
What do you mean by physical?
Were any parts of your body hurt by Sergeant Kopf?
Q
A
Q
A
was pushing him away.
I
22
My whole body hurt.
Can you tell me what that means?
I
Q
A
Did Sergeant Kopf stop touching you?
22
in his seat
Q
A
23
Yeah. When
started crying. He sat back
I
23
24 25
Q
mean -- nobody imagines to be touched like that.
leave any marks on your
and he said. he thought it was what
Where was Sergeant Kopf sitting at?
wanted he.
24 25
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Did Sergeant Kopfs touching
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A
body at all?
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A
He was sitting right next to me. Was he in the driver's seat?
1
2 3 4 5 6
A
No, not physical.
No bruises, red
Q
A
marks or scratches?
Yes.
Did he ever move out of the driver's seat?
(Nodding negatively).
On
a
Q
A
Q
scale of one to ten, could you tell me how afraid
Yeah. He climbed on his knees and he was leaning over
you were with ten being the most afraid?
me.
Q A
MR. HOROWITZ:
A
7
8 9
Object as to form.
I
Was there
a
divider between the seats in the Suburban?
I
7
I
I
was in shock. I
didn't know what to think.
I
didn't
I'm not sure.
me.
think there might have been one, but
8 9
know if he was going to leave me out there.
couldn't
think it was pushed up, because he was leaning right on
Q
A
10
11
move.
Q
10
in
Could you put it on the one-to-ten scale?
MR. HOROWITZ:
Object to form.
a
How long did this encounter
I
the Suburban last?
11
12
13
don't know. It seemed like forever.
was wearing
a
12
A
I I
can't really put it on
scale.
Q
A
What clothing were you wearing that day?
I
13
I
Q
14
am going to hand some documents to Jean.
(Exhibit NO.4 was marked for identification.)
pair of pants and
a
a
sweater, and
had
a
14
15
16
Q
15
16
17
18
Q
A
shirt under my sweater.
Do your pants have
These are your Answers to your First Set of
zipper?
Interrogatories.
Lavetta, please take
a
look at this.
Yes.
Did your sweater have any buttons?
17
Can you tell me what it is?
A
Q
A
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19
20
2.'"
It's my answers to the questions that my attorney gave
me.
Can you look at page four?
No.
It was
a
pullover.
Q
A.
What happened next?
He sat back in his seat, and he said he thought it was
20
21
Q
Please read your response to
23
l,
yourself, and then tell me if there are any other facts
what
Q
A
I
wanted.
22 23
I
about what happened while you were in the Suburban with
Sergeant Kopf that either aren't in the response or that
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You mean up to the time
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of the assault? You don't mean post-assault in the
Suburban?
I
1
in the
knew.
mean, the question
is
what happened
2
How long did you stay at the store?
Suburban, was your question. I want to get
clarification.
Q
3 4
5 6 7 8
in
Just
a
few minutes.
l
Q
Were you nervous about getting back in the car with
Sergeant Kopf?
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8
Up to the point of what you have described so far. Is
there anything you want to add or change to your
response?
A
A
Yes.
was scared, but everything down on the Reservation is out in the middle of nowhere, and
I
I
No.
Is there anything else, besides what's included
your
9
Q
9
10
11
didn't have any place else to go. He told me that he was going to see my brother in Kyle at the high school,
so
Q
A I
response, and what you have said today, any other facts
10
11
got in with him.
you want to tell us about what happened in the Suburban
Which brother is that?
12 13
A
with ,Sergeant Kopf, up to this point?
12
Emerald.
How many brothers and sisters do you have?
I
No.
MS. CULLEY:
I'd like to go off record right now.
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15
When
Q
A
14
15 16 17
18
Q
have four brothers and two sisters.
(A break was taken from 11:15 to 11:20.)
We will return to talking about January 7,2003.
Q
A
What are their names?
16
17
18 19
Daverine, Lloyd, Emmaline, Jeremy, Emerald and Jeffrey.
And the order of siblings where do you fit
in.
Sergeant Kopf started driving again, what's the first
stop that you made?
A
Q
A
at?
19
Common Cents store, in Sharp's.
Where's that at?
There's Daverine, Lloyd, Emmaline, Jeremy, me and then Emerald and Jeffrey.
Did you ask Sergeant Kopf to leave you at the
20
21
Q
A
20
21
Q
It's -Is
it
a
I
don't know roads.
convenience store?
A
22
Q
A
convenience store?
a
22
a
No, because
I
23
24
25
didn't have any place to go.
I
didn't
Yeah. It's
convenience store, and has
little
23
know what to do.
Q
community behind it.
Q A little town?
24
After you got back in the Suburban, what's the next stop
25
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you made?
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5
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A
little community.
told him
I
1
A
My cousin Jackie's house.
How long had you been driving before you stopped at
Jackie's house?
Q
A
Why did you
I
Q
A
needed to go to the bathroom. What did you do after you arrived at the store?
I
went inside, and
stop?2
I
Q
3 4 5
A
About ten minutes.
Where does Jackie live?
was looking for one of my friends
I
Q
A
6 7 8
9
that worked there, and they weren't working, and
really, really sick, so
I
felt
6 7
She lives south of Kyle, and
I
don't know roads.
went to the bathroom
a
and I
I
Q
A
Does she live in the town of Kyle?
threw up.
crying and
I
I
was in there for
few minutes, and
I
was
8 9
No. The College Center is, she lives by the College
washed my face.
I
came out and Sergeant
10
11
Center, and it's about ten miles south of Kyle.
Q
Kopf was standing by the door. He asked me what took so
long and
I
10
11
Did you have any conversations with Sergeant Kopf while
told him
wasn't feeling good, and he said
Kyle.
you were driving?
A
12
13
14
Q
A
we were going to go to
12 13 14 15
16
I
didn't say anything. He was the one that was talking.
say?
Which door was Sergeant Kopf standing by?
Q
A
What did he
The Common Cents store.
The front door?
15
16
He was telling me that we had something, and he felt
Q
A
that he .knew me his whole life, and he felt that we were
connected spiritually.
Q
A
Yes.
Did you know anyone at the store?
17
18
Q
A
17
Did you say anything
I
in response to his conversation?
19 20
2,'"
said, one of my friends used to work there, but he wasn't working that day.
Did you talk to anyone at the store?
I
No. Like
I
18
didn't say anything.
I
I
just sat there.
I
19
20
21
Q
A
Did you ask Sergeant Kopf to take you to Jackie's house?
Q
A..
Yeah.
remembered where she lived.
I
don't go over
I
t"
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didn't know what to do.
I
was going to go outside and
there much, but
asked him to drop me off, and
try and walk some place, but he was waiting at the door.
I
22
23
pointed at her house. He got mad and he says; "Who
lives here, your boyfriend?" And I said, no, and I told him that my cousin Jackie lived there. And I asked him
think you might have answered my question, but did you
know anyone at the store?
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hé said he was going to be there for about an hour. So I told him I didn't want to wait there an hour and asked
him to drop me off. He said, you're not going to take off on me, are you, and I told him, no. So he pulled
in, and Jackie's boyfriend, Shane, opened the door.
Q
A
1
nothing that the tribal cops can do to him. So what
I
2 3
4 5 6
Q
A
want you to do
is
write down
a
statement of what
happened and be sure to write down everything, because
your career in the military depends on it.
Do you remember who you talked to?
/^,.
'c.,
6 7
8
Did Sergeant Kopf get out of
the Suburban with you?
Sergeant Cost.
He said just fax it to me as soon as
No. Shane opened
so
I
the door and he came out on the steps, him if Jackie was there, so he said to come asked
I
7 8
9
9
possible and I'll get ahold of Kopf and tell him to get back up here, because he's AWOL. And I told him that he
in. So Kopf asked me if
was going to be okay there
10
11
and
I
said, yeah, and he said he would be back around
still in
10
11
was supposed to take me to Sioux Falls, and he said, I have your file right here that there's no reason for you
to go back to Sioux Falls. He said Kopf wasn't even
supposed to be on the Reservation today. He didn't show
1:30.
Q
12
Sergeant Kopf was
that?
the Suburban when he said
12
13
14
15
A
13
up for work. He said, right now he's considered AWOL
and
I
He didn't get out.
And you were sta,nding on the porch?
I
14 15
16
17
18 19
Q
A
know where he's at right now, so just fax that
Q
A
16
17 18
was 'walking towards the house.
statement up to me and we will deal with him when he gets back up here.
And did you fax that statement?
Q
Did you ask Sergeant Kopf when you would be able to go
to the MEPS station in Sioux Falls?
A
No.
What happened after you talked to your father on the
phone?
19
He told me he was going to take me after he visited
people in Kyle.
After you got to Jackie's house, did you ask him that
question?
Q
20
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Q
20
21
A
He called the cops and
a
22
police officer arrived, and he
22
I
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A
No.
I
just seen Shane and
went inside.
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wanted to take me to the police department in Kyle to take my statement, but I told her I didn't want to go to
Kyle, because he was over there. And my dad called the
Q
A
What did you do once you got inside?
~c
(
Jackie was in the back room, so I'told her what
school and told my brother what happened. My brother
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2
happened, so she called Shane and Shane called up here to the recruiting station.
Q
A
1 2 3 4
was looking for him, but he didn't see him, and he said
he wasn't over there. And my brother said he was going
to meet me at the police station, so
Q
A
I
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Was anyone else at the house?
got in the car
Just Jackie, Shane and her little boy.
What
I
with her and we drove to the station.
Were you still at Jackie's house at that
point?
Q
A
did you do next?
I
5
told her what happened, and
was sitting there crying
I
6
Yes.
What happened when you got to the
I
and she told Shane and so Shane asked me, so so he called up here.
Q
A
told him
7
8 9
Q
A
police station?
Did you call anyone?
I
10
11
wrote my statement down, and both my aunts, Carol and Noritta and my sister Daverine
showed up. My brother Emerald was there, but
I
got put in
a
room and
I
didn't know how to tell my dad, so
I
I
just called my
10
11
didn't
I
Aunt Noritta and
told her. And my other Aunt Carol
know what to say to him.
felt ashamed. The officer
I
I
12 13
14 15
Q
A
didn't want to see him.
Weston was there, and they both called my dad and told him what happened. So my dad called me, and I didn't
12 13
14 15
16
Q
A
talked to told me that
a
a
CI
was coming to take my statement, he wanted to hear it
from me. And she said that
Did you go to the hospital?
know how to tell him. I just kept crying. What did you and your dad talk about?
He told me to call the cops, so
I
medic was going to be
16
17
18
called to take me to the hospital.
told him that Kopf's
a
boss told me not to call the cops, and just to write
17 18 19
No. They said that there was no penetration, so there
statement and fax it to him.
Q
A
was no need for
Q A Q
A
a
medic.
19
When did Kopf's boss tell you that?
Is this police department, tribal police?
20
r
2:..,
'
When Shane called up here to the recruiting station. He called and they wanted to talk to me, and I told them
20
21
Yes.
What did the police do?
23
what happened, and he said, I'm on the other line trying to get ahold of him, but the cell phones don't work on
the Reservation.
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22
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They just took my statement, and the CI showed up and he
took my statement, and he asked me what happened, and told him. He said there was no need for a medic because
I I
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said, you don't need to call the
24
cops, because he's federally protected and there's
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was free to go home, so I left. I called home first to tell my dad that we were leaving, and my mom
was on the phone and she said that Sergeant Kopf was at my house, and my dad was outside talking to him.
Q
said
I
1
What Mall
is
that?
2
3
3
The Rushmore Mall.
Did you talk to him?
Q
A
lí~
1\
6 7 8
9
Q
A A
4
5 6 7
8 9
No.
Did you ever receive any e-mails from Sergeant Kopf?
So did you go home?
Q
A
told the CI, because they were looking for him, I told the CI that called Kopf was at my house, so he said he
I
No.
Did you seek
a
Q
A
restraining order against Sergeant Kopf?
was going to get
Robert Bennett.
a
police officer over there right away.
Yes.
What led you to do that?
I
Do you know the CI's name?
Q
A
10
11
10
11
was scared.
did you take to
Q
A
Had you met him before?
Q
A
What steps
get the restraining
order?
12 13 14 15 16
17 18
19
No.
Do you know the results of any police investigation
this incident?
12
into
Q
13
Leah Tassel from Changleska helped me, and my attorney B.J. Jones helped me.
Why were you scared?
14
Q A
A
military It employee on tribal lands, so they didn't want -- they just referred it to the Army.
was involving
a
Everybody declined.
15
16
Because of what happened.
You were scared because of the incident
in
Q
A
the Suburban?
17
18
Yes.
What information did you give
restraining order?
in
Q
A
How did you learn this?
Q
support of the
My first attorney, B.J. Jones.
Did you speak with any members of the Army about this
19
20
21
Q
20
21
A
Just the incident that happened; the comments he made.
Was this the Tribal Court that you sought the
restraining order from?
incident, aside from your phone call with Sergeant Cost?
A
Q
22
No.
Did anyone from the Army interview you?
22 23 24
A
23 24
25,
f
2
3
Q
A
Yes.
Was there
a
Yeah.
A
few weeks later --
I
don't remember his name,
me.
74
Q
A
hearing?
Vernelius, or something, he came and interviewed
25
1
Yes.
76
Q
After all this, were you still interested
in joining the
Q
A
Did you speak at the hearing?
Army?
A
2
3
in
No.
Was Sergeant Kopf at the hearing?
No.
Are you interested
Q
A
4
5
Q
joining any other branches of the
4
No.
On January 7, 2003, were you anywhere where alcoholic
armed forces?
A
5
6 7 8 9
Q
6
7 8 9
No.
Did you think about going back to Rockhurst?
I
beverages were sold or served?
A
Q
A
No.
Did you have on that day, did you have anything of an
alcoholic nature to drink?
just wanted to stay home.
didn't want to go anywhere else.
I
Q
Q
A
Do you think about going to school anywhere else?
I
10
11
leave home, because
anywhere.
Q
was too scared to didn't want to see Sergeant Kopf
I
10
11
A
No.
On that day did you take any drugs or narcotics?
Q
A
12
12
Just the Tylenol.
Have you fully recovered from the events of January 7, 2003?
MR. HOROWITZ:
13
After Sergeant Kopf dropped you off at Jackie Randall's,
house did you have any further contact with him?
13 14
Q
14
15 16
17
Q
A A
He called my house and he said he wanted to apologize, and he didn't think that it would go that far.
Did you speak to him?
15
16
A
Object to form.
No.
What injuries are you suffering from?
MR. HOROWITZ:
17
I
Q
18
Yeah. Well, he called and
answered and he apologized
18
19
A
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Object to form.
I
and he kept saying he was sorry.
Q
'\
Did you say anything to Sergeant Kopf?
20
21
No,
I
I
~1.:.Q
23
A
just hung up.
call?
remember certain remembered how he smelled, how that car smelled. I remember the smell of his cologne. I could
smells.
I
I
have nightmares.
can't sleep.
I
What day did you receive that
22 23
24
Q
A
be doing something and I'll remember something that he
said.
How often
a
don't remember.
saw him once at the Mall, but after that, no.
24
25
Q
A
Did you ever see Sergeant Kopf in person again?
I
week do you have nightmares?
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Rig ht after the incident?
1
I
preparing for your deposition?
A
Right after the incident,
couldn't sleep at all.
I I
I
2
How can
I
not? How can
I
not think about it, because
it lately because
3
was up for
Q
a
whole week straight before
I
actually got
hard
3 4 5 6
A
it's what we are talking about?
Q
/-\.
any sleep, and when
time sleeping?
A I
did sleep,
had nightmares.
a
Have you thought more about
you met
And now, how many nights per week do you have
with Dr. Mark Mills?
6 7 8 9
Like
I
said, how can
I
not.
still haven't got
a
good night sleep.
a
7
good night
Q
Are you seeking any professional heip to help you deal
Q
Since January 7, 2003, you haven't gotten
sleep?
8
with these thoughts?
A
9
No.
I
talk to family members.
I
a
One of my uncles is
I
a
10
11
A
No.
Are you taking any medications to help you sleep?
10
11
I
Q
A
minister and go to medicine man, and family, my sisters and my mom about it.
Q
talk to my
12
13
No.
have my son, so
I
don't want to take anything.
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How do you feel after you talk to your family about
this?
Q
A
You don't want anything
to help you sleep?
14
15
Yeah.
How many hours per night do you normally sleep?
14
15 16
A
It
helps me get
a
little bit more sleep.
Q
A
Q
A
How do you feel after you talk to the medicine man?
a counselor, you know. It's good that moment and then something comes up and then for
16
17
About three.
Are you suffering any other injuries from this incident
on January 7th?
Just like talking to
Q
18
19
17 18
19
Q
I
remember it and go through it all over again.
Has the medicine man suggested you do anything to help
yo u feel better?
A
MR. HOROWITZ: Objection to form.
A
20
21
It's hard to go anywhere.
change.
I
don't like myself anymore.
I
20
21
Everything he said he liked about me,
Q
A
just want to
Like meditate; go to sweat. It's like
After you medicate, do you feel better?
a
cleansing.
22
23
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I
Q
A
You say it's hard to go anywhere, can you explain that?
I
Not really.
Does it help to go to
a
24
mean
don't even know where he's at now, and it's
I
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1 2
Q
A
sweat ceremony?
I
ç
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9
A
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hard to even come up here.
can't even drive towards
78
It
helps sometimes.
mostly do it for like my family.
80
Manderson anymore.
I
always have to have one of my
at home all day?
brothers with me.
Q A
My brothers and dad aren't the same after what happened. Sometimes it feels like they're hurting more than I am.
Q
Do these symptoms require you to stay
3
Why did you decide not to seek any professionai help to
help you with this?
Yes. Some days
I
don't even want to go anywhere.
a
4
5 6
A
Q
A
When is the last time you had
day like that?
MR. HOROWITZ:
I object to the form.
I
These past few days.
Are there any other symptoms that you have had since
th'is incident?
The first time
I
wanted to get help,
just needed
Q
7
8
somebody to talk to, but they wanted to put me on meds, and they wanted to send me to a place that provides like
psychiatric help for people that think about killing
Just depressed.
Whenever stuff comes up
I
get panic
9
10
11
Q
A
attacks, and
depends if
I
have anxiety attacks.
I
10
11 12 13
Q
A
themselves. So it just scared me.
Do you not want to take any medications?
How often per week do you have panic attacks?
12
It
remember
I
I
a
smell or if
I
I
go through my
I
No.
Do you not want to go to anywhere that would help you,
13
statements and
remember stuff, you know.
can't say,
Q
14
15
16
Q
oh,
I
have two, or
have one, or
have three.
14 15
16
A
any sort of psychiatric counseling center?
Can you tell me what physical symptoms you experience
when you have
a
Well,
I
don't want to get sent off, if that's what you
labeled
panic attack?
are asking.
Q
17 18
19 20
A
My chest hurts. It's hard to breathe.
It
feels like
17
18
I'm just going to ask you to look at what we've
as Exhibit 4. I'd ask you to turn to page three.
Please read over that.
the room is spinning.
Q
I
feel really nauseous.
Have you thought more about your encounter with Sergeant
Kopf lately because you knew the deposition was coming
up?
19
Do you have any other symptoms
20
21
or injuries besides what you have talked about today or
that
is in
C.
23
your response to Interrogatory Number
I
1?
A
Some days
I I
think about it all the time. It's not
can just say, oh, this happened to me and
22
MR. HOROWITZ:
A
object to form.
I
something
Q
23 24
25
Things come up constantly.
24
25
can't just say, oh, I'm
forget about it.
Have you thought more about it lately while you were
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What do you mean by "things come up constantly"?
Like some days
I I
1
I
feel really worthless, and then
used to be.
2 3 4
You said you couldn't eat.
Did you lose any weight
(-"
6
remember how
Q
because of that?
A
....
7
8 9
A
Besides your response in Interrogatory Number 1 and
I I
lost about 20 pounds.
And after, I got depressed, and
everything you have said up to this point, is there any
5
6
Q
A
said
I
really didn't care about anything.
I
other symptoms that you want to talk about?
No.
Who wanted to give you medication for the thoughts that
Q
Has your weight changed against since you lost that 25?
7
8 9
Yeah. Whatever
got depressed and
I
I
didn't really care
and
Q
I
started drinking, and
didn't really take care of
you were having?
A
myself at all.
And had you ever had an alcoholic drink before this
incident?
A
10
11
One ofthe counselors at Pine Ridge IHS.
Do you remember that person's name?
10
11
Q
A
12 13 14 15 16
No.
And who recommended that you go to an institution?
12
No.
I
never drank or did drugs before.
Q
A
13
Q
A
And when is the first time you had an alcoholic drink?
That same person.
MS. CULLEY:
14
I
It
was in February.
Okay.
think we
will go
ahead and
15
Q
A
February of 2003?
break for lunch now.
It's almost noon.
16
17
18 19
Yeah.
When did your weight loss occur?
17 18
19
(A noon hour break was taken from 11:55 to 1:05.)
MS. CULLEY:
Q
A
Everybody ready? We will go back on
the record.
Q
20
21
The whole month of January, and then after that I really didn't care. I started eating everything, whenever I
Lavetta, describe the first time after January
that you received medical care.
7,2003
20
21
Q
A
got sad or depressed.
Did your weight change then?
22 23
24
25
A
The first time?
Uhm-uhm.
I
22
Yeah.
I
gained.
Q
A
23
Q
A
When did your weight gain occur?
don't remember.
January 7, 2003 did you go to the doctor?
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25
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Throughout the summer.
Which summer?
84
\
Q
After
Q
A
Uhm-nhm. I"m not sore ofthe dat~,
When did you go?
A
Snmme, of '03.
So has your weight changed at all since the summer of
2 3 4 5 6
Q
A
Q
Same place, Pine Ridge IHS.
Do you remember what doctor you saw?
'03?
A
Q
A
4
5 6 7
It stayed
about the same.
visits to the doctor because
No.
Q
Did you have any additional
Q
What did you tell them? What took place when you went
to the doctors?
I
of the symptoms that you are describing?
A
7
8 9
A
I
tried, but like
I
said,
I
got scared because they
seen Terry Friend, she's
a
midwife there, and
I
told
8
9
Q
A
wanted to put me on medicine and everything.
Who wanted to put you on medicine?
10
11
her what happened and everything, and she couldn't understand why they didn't bring me to the hospital.
She said that there were tests they could do to get his
10
11
The doctors.
12 13
saliva off of me and check me for hairs and stuff. She asked me if there was any penetration and I told her no
12
13
Q A
They wanted to give me medicine to sleep. They wanted to give me antidepressants, and I didn't really want anything.
Which doctors was that?
I
14 15 16 17
18 19 20
Q
A
-- and
I
can't remember. She talked to me about sexual
14 15
16
don't remember which doctors.
assault, and she just gave me -- she just talked to me and told me it was okay, it wasn't my fault, and
Q
A
Were they at Pine Ridge?
Yes.
Indian hospital?
encouraged me to get counseling.
Didn't she prescribed any medications for you?
I
17
18
Q
A
Yes. That's the only place
I
I
got seen.
can't remember.
19
Q
A
Did you go to the Kyle Health Center?
Q
Did you tell her about any symptoms that you were
20
21
r
I..'-~..
went for three visits, and they referred me to Pine
having?
A
Ridge, because it was closer.
Q
Yeah,
I
I
told her about all my symptoms.
I
22 23 24 25
How many visits did you have at Pine Ridge Indian
Hospital?
23 24
Q
A
What were they?
couldn't sleep;
was scared, and
I
had nightmares;
I
I
A
25
I'm not sure. Around two.
And you didn't take any medications to help you sleep?
couldn't eat. She was telling me that
still needed to
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No.
Did you take any medications that they offered to
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3
female that
I
met with.
I I
I
met with the male
Q
first, and then by the time
went back for my second
I
prescribe for you?
A
visit, he already left, so
had to explain the
No
4 5 6 7 8 9
Q
A
C_
6
Q
A
An~ was that? why
Because
I
situation all over again to another female, and then just got frustrated.
Do you know if that person was
a
didn't want to be on any medicine.
therapist?
7 8 9
Q
A
Why don't you want to be on any medicine?
I
They're counselors.
I
don't really know their whole
just don't.
Q
A
Do you think that medicine might help?
profession or what degrees they hold or anything, but they work in mental health.
Q
A
10
11
No.
You said earlier that you never drank or did drugs
10
11
You didn't take any medication that they offered to you?
Q
12 13 14
15
A
No. They offered so many, but
__
before this encounter with Sergeant Kopf.
Just to be
12 13
Q
So total, how many visits would you say you had to the
Pine Ridge Indian Hospital to talk to
a
clear, did you start drinking and doing drugs after the
therapist?
encounter?
I
14
15
A
I
don't remember.
It wasn't
a
lot.
didn't do drugs. Just drank. My friends would say,
Q
A
Less than five?
I
16 17
18
Q
A
it will make you forget about it, so I tried it, but it
16
17
wouldn't know.
I
just made things worse.
Did you stop drinking then?
Q
A
Did you consider seeking treatment anywhere else?
18
I
No. Like
said
I
19 20
21
didn't want to go anywhere else.
I
No.
I
would drink some and
would forget and
I
I
a
little
19 20
21
Q
didn't want to leave.
go to those sessions.
My mom could hardly got me up to
while later it would come back and then
would drink
a
some more and I'd forget. But
it was like
Q
a
wasn't to
point where
Did they offer any sort of counseling services at
22 23
problem or anything.
22
23
A
Changleska?
Did the doctors at Pine Ridge Indian Hospital recommend
Yeah. They're mainly about counseling services, but
wasn't ready because there was
a
I
24
you do anything else to help you to feei better besides
take medicine?
24 25
~~
A
25
lot coming at me at the
time.
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They wanted me to talk to somebody and
Did you take any of those steps?
2
3 4
s~ pea:e.
1 2 3
Q
A
Wh'tdo v'"
was
a
mono
wh,n
Q
A
v'" "y
a
that?
Getting an attorney; getting
restraining order. There
To be honest, the services, the mental health services at Pine Ridge aren't good at all. There is no
lot to deal with.
4
5 6
Q
What about since that time, have you sought counseling
anywhere else?
5
6
confidentiality or anything, so it's hard to trust
somebody.
Q
A
No.
Why not?
7
8 9
What do you mean when you say there
confidentiality?
is no
7
8
Q
A
Well, like
I
said,
I
have the fear of somebody having
I
A
Whenever
I
worked there,
I
worked for medical records
a
9
getting put on medicine.
have
a
10
11
little boy now, so
I
and you would hear people say, this person came to the
hospital today for this; she has
10
11
don't want them to say that I'm not fit to take care of
problem again. You
my son. I've been learning to deal with it myself.
It's hard, but-Q
A
12
13
know, you would hear stuff about people, which wasn't
good.
Q
A
12
13
How have you been learning to deal with it?
I
14 15
What took place when you went to the Kyle Health Center?
14
write stuff, like the same
incident comes through my
a
16
17
lady there, Jean Hammond. She wanted me to tell her what happened. I tried, but I just didn't
a
I
talked to
15
16
head, I'll write it and then I just burn it, so it's
little outlet.
Q
A
like -- I
just wasn't ready to talk about it, and then
it one on one?
17
18
Is that helpful?
18
19 20
Q
A
she referred me to Pine Ridge.
When you spoke with Jean Hammond, was
Sometimes. Other days
I
just want to sleep.
19
Q
Aside from any therapist or health care professional,
have you talked to anybody else about how you are
feeling?
Yeah.
Did you ever try any group therapy?
20
21
( ,23
24
Q
A
No.
And then who did you
know if they were
a
22
meet with at Pine Ridge; do you
A
Like
I
said,
I
talked to my uncle,
a
minister, and the
Q
23
medicine man
Q
A
we have
in our
family.
therapist?
I
24
know there is
a
Is that helpful?
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25
Yes, sometimes.
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Feel better after you talk to him?
Sometimes.
Do you see
I
a
Q
know that you met with Dr. Mills, have you been
Q
A
counselor with the initials, M.H. at all?
3
examined by any other experts as part of this
litigation?
A
L/A.
don't remember.
is
a
4
5 6
1\. 6
7
8 9
Q
You can turn to your Responses to Production, Exhibit 3.
Experts?
Any other doctors or psychiatrists or psychologists?
This
medical record from April 2, 2003, and it's
Q
A
Elk 00032 on the bottom.
Lavetta, I'll represent to you
7
8 9
All
I
I
go to is just my uncle and medicine man.
a
that on this page 00032 of Exhibit 3, one line says, "Patient will also continue with M.H. but wants a new
counselor".
A
Q
am going to turn to your symptoms again
in
little bit.
Was there any change in your symptoms
the years 2000
10
11
Does that look accu rate to you?
10
11
through 2005?
MR. HOROWITZ:
I
I
don't know what M.H.
can't tell.
is.
object to the form.
12
13 14 15
16
Q
A
Does that look like what's writ~en on this page?
I
12
THE WITNESS:
Q
A
No.
13
Does
Actually I mean 2004, 4.005?
Q
I'll represent to you that that's what it says.
14
15
No.
They stayed the same?
M.H. sound familiar to you?
A
Q
A
No.
Do you remember requesting
April?
a
16
new counselor at the end of
Yes.
And what were they again?
MR. HOROWITZ: I object to the form. Asked and
answered.
17
18
Q
17 18
19
Q
19 20
21
A
No.
I
don't remember.
Q
Were there any counselors that you would have been
seeing during that period?
I
20
21
Q
What were your symptoms
THE WITNESS:
attacks.
I
in
the years 2004-2005?
MR. HOROWITZ: Asked and answered.
Depression,
22
A
23 24
Q
A
don't remember any names. Like male and then there was a female.
At Pine Ridge?
I
said, there was
a
22
23 24 25
Q
A
anxiety and panic
felt humiliated; shame.
I
Why
I
did you feel ashamed?
~..
Yes.
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go through all these things
in
my head;
I
could have
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1
Q A
Indian Hospital?
1 2
fought harder, you know; how could
be so stupid,
2 3 4
Yes.
Lavetta,
could you describe
basically, to fall for thinking that somebody stayed out
Q
your expenses that resulted
3 4 5 6
Q
that far; wasn't smart enough.
Is there any change
in
from the incident that happened on January 7, 2003?
MR. HOROWITZ:
A
your symptoms
in
the year 2005
5
6 7 8
9
A
Object to the form.
through 2006?
MR. HOROWITZ:
Expenses?
How much did you spend on going to the doctors as
a
Object to the form.
No.
Q
7
8
Q
THE WITNESS:
result of the incident on January 7, 2003?
I
Have you lived in the Pine Ridge area since January 7th
don't know.
a
9
of 2003?
A
10
11
Q
Do you know if you spent any money seeing
a
therapist as
10
11
Yes and no. After that happened,
place anymore, and
I
I
couldn't stay in one
result of this incident?
12
13
A
I
don't know.
a
12
result of
didn't -- I was beginning to not feel safe at home, and I just went from friend'shouse
Q
Did you spend any money on medications as
this incident?
13
to friend's house to friend's house.
Q
A
14 15
16
A
14
15
a
Why didn't you feel safe at home?
No.
I
don't think so.
Because
I
was tired of every little thing reminding me
Q
Did you spend any money on going to counseling as
16
17
Q
A
of that day.
Where else did you go?
I
17 18
result of this incident?
MR. HOROWITZ:
A
I
object to the form.
18 19 20
21
was
in
Iowa.
I
I
was
in California.
I
I
was in Texas.
I
I
19
20
.
No.
Do you have any additional
was
Q
A
in North Carolina.
was
in Colorado.
was
in
New
Q
costs or expenses because of
Mexico.
was in Idaho.
the incident on Janua"ry 7th of 2003?
MR.
When did you move back to the Pine Ridge area?
~.,
23
HOROWITZ:
I object to the form.
22
23
Last year, last April. Actually this past April, April
THE WITNESS:
Q
Additional costs?
of this year.
Q
A
24 25
Is there anything else you spent money on because of
this incident on January 7, 2003?
24
25
Have you gone to school since then?
Yeah.
I
started school at Milwaukee Career College and
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things were going good, and then this case was brought
up again, and
I
1
During high school all
Youth Peer Mentor.
had was the youth opportunity,
couldn't concentrate, and
I
quit. And
I
2
3
Q
A
was talking to some of the women there, and they said they'd give me another chance of going to school so I
What does
I
a
Youth Peer Mentor do?
4
5 6 7 8 9
just talked to younger kids who had abusive families,
I
started again, and
6 7
8
Q A
I
finished.
or
would set up fund raisers so they could take trips
Did you get
I
a
degree?
a
places.
Q A
got
a
diploma,
medical assistant diploma.
And what years did you do that?
Q
A
Did you feel worse once the case started up again?
'01 and '02.
Is that
a
9
Yes.
Before that, had you been feeling better?
I
Q
A
paying job?
I
10
11
Q
A
10
11
Yes. '01 and '02, and off and on as
came back '03,
Yeah.
and
I
felt better because
I
was over in Wisconsin,
I
'04.
Q
A
12 13
didn't worry about smelling him, you know.
I
12
13 14
In '03, how long did you work as
a
Youth Peer mentor?
still had nightmares and dreams and things
that reminded
had
Enough to get me
a
bus ticket to go to my brother's in
14
15
16
Q
A
me, but it wasn't as bad as being back here.
Did you have
Idaho.
Q
A
different things to do and different people to meet.
a
15
16
And in 2004, how long did you work there?
I
good time there?
worked off and on.
I
I
would leave and come back for
a
17
18
The only thing that made me feel good there was my husband, and he made me feel safe. It was a different
kind of safe than what
I
17
month, and then
would leave and then I'd come back for
18
19
Q
A
two weeks.
And what was your salary there?
19 20
21
Q
A
had with my family.
Did you live in an apartment there in Wisconsin?
20
21
$5.15 an hour.
And since then have you had any other employment?
Yes.
With your husband?
Q
A
22
Q
A
22 23 24
No.
Are you currently seeking
a
23 24
Yes.
Before that why did you keep moving around?
I
Q
A
job right now?
Q
A
Yes.
What have you done to look for
a
(1...~.
a
went to Idaho with my brother.
His sister in
law9:ad 25
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9
Q
job?
96
2 3 4 5
husband that looked almost just like Sergeant Kopf, and I couldn't stay there anymore. My brother was
telling me to stay and begging me to stay, but
couldn't, so
I
A
Applied at places.
What sort of
places?
Q
A
I
Hospitals, nursing homes.
Have you filled out job applications anywhere?
left, and
I
came back here, and
Q
A
6 7
8 9
everything reminded me of that day. So I got a ticket and I went down to New Mexico and I stayed with my
cousin down there, and the same thing happened, so
I
Yes.
Where at?
Q
A
Specific places?
Uhm-uhm.
went to Iowa. Same thing.
Same thing.
Q
A
I
was in North Carolina.
Same thing.
Q
A
I
went to California.
10
11
Were you traveling alone to these places?
10
11
Q
A
Beverly Health Care, Rapid City Regional, Sioux San, Morning Star Assisted living, few other places.
Have you gone on any job interviews?
Yes.
When you say the same thing, what do you mean by that?
12
13
Q
A
12
Yeah, I've been on three of them. One of them
I
I
was
14
15
16
Q
certain smell, 13 if somebody talked that sounded like him, or somebody 14 or that looked like him. 15
Something reminded me of Sergeant Kopf;
a
supposed to start this week, but because of depositions
wasn't able to, so
I
have to wait until January.
Q
A
Are you going to start working then in January?
What sort of degree
College?
did you earn at Milwaukee Career
16
Uhm-uhm.
What place
is
17
18
A
17
18
19
Q
A
that?
Medical assistant diploma.
And what does
a
Beverly Health Care system.
What will your position be there?
19
20
Q
A
medical assistant do?
Q
A
Work
vitals.
in
the hospital; screen patients and take their
20
21
Nurse aide and
Are you excited?
a
(
:b",,~.
pharmacy aide for the float pool.
Q
A
Q
A
Could
a
medical assistant work in
a
doctor's office?
22
It
will be something to do.
23
Yes. Get them prepped for the doctor.
Can you describe any employment you had during high
school?
PM
23
24 25
Q
A
Do you know what your salary will be?
24
Q
$9.14 an hour.
How long have you been looking for
a
25
Q
job before you
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found that?
1
2 3 4 5
No.
Did you take any steps to address what was difficult
about it?
About
a
month. Not too long.
a
Q
Q
A
Did you look for
job before that?
It'
1\
6 7
8
No,
I
just stayed home and took care of my son.
a
A
No.
How would you describe your relationship with your
husband?
Q
A
Did you want
job during that period?
Q
No.
Did you want to focus on your son more?
6
7 8
a
Q
A
A
Yeah.
When was the first time you started looking for
after January 7, 2003?
Q
A
It's good. He's patient, so that's good. When did you have that sexual experience?
With my husband?
The sexual experience that you described before you met
your husband?
9
Q
job
9
10
11
A
10
11
Q
Month ago.
So that would be November
12 13 14 15 16
17
Q
A
2006?
12
13
A
I
don't remember. It was
a
little after January.
The end of October.
And how many places did you apply at?
Q
A
January of which year?
Q
A
14
15 16
17
18 19
2003.
Who was it with?
A I
Eight or nine.
Do you have any hobbies that you enjoy doing now?
Q
A
Q
A
friend.
know it's difficult, but can you go ahead and tell us
Just writing or my son takes up most of my time.
Do you take any classes on writing?
Q
18 19 20
21
Q
A
his name?
A
No.
What sort of hobbies did you have
I
in
Armando.
Do you know his last name?
Q
A
high school?
20
21
Q
A
was really into sports, basketball, volleyball, even
Rosas.
R-O-S-A-S.
22 23
Q
A
football, cross country.
Do you like sports now?
22 23
Q
Was that experience with Armando your first and only
sexual experience
before you met your husband?
24
Not really.
Yo.u said you
24
were starting to exercise again?
98
A
(:
1
Yes.
Do you feel comfortable
Q
25
1
Q
sharing your feelings with your
100
A
Yeah.
What do you do?
husband?
A
2 3 4 5 6
Q
A
2
a
Yes.
Would you feel comfortable sharing intimate details with
your husband?
Slowly starting to get into running again, lifting
3 4 5 6
Q
little more weights.
Q
A
During high school did you go out on dates?
A
Yes.
Do you like being married?
No.
I
wasn't allowed. My dad was pretty strict.
have any boyfriends
in
Q
A
7
8 9
Q
A
Did you
high school?
7 8 9
Yes.
What do you like about
it?
No.
When were you allowed to start going out on dates?
I
Q
A
Q
A
Security.
Anything else?
10
11
didn't really worry about going on dates.
a
I
was too
10
11
Q
A
busy and focused on school and sports, so it didn't
really bother me to not have
Security is my thing. The love and everything
good.
is
good,
12
13 14
Q
A
boyfriend. Every weekend
a
12
13
being able to be secure and feel safe with somebody is
Q
A
there was games, so it wasn't really
Have you gone out on dates since then?
big thing for me.
14
15
16
Do you have
a
sexual relationship with your husband?
15 16
No.
Have you had any boyfriends since high school?
Yes.
Have you had any difficulty with that aspect of your
relationship?
Q
A
Q
17 18
19
No.
I
met my husband and that was it.
you meet your husband?
17
18 19
A
Q
A
When did
In December of '03.
Before you met your husband, had you had any sexual
Q
A
Sometimes. What sort of difficulty?
20
Q
20
21
(
2~.
23
A
Whenever the case comes up or
don't want him to touch me.
I
I
remember something,
a
I
experience?
have
difficult time
Once.
Did you have any difficulty with that experience?
22
with him even holding my hand sometimes.
Q
A
Q
A
23
How do you deal with those feelings?
24
25
Yeah.
It was really
uncomfortable.
24
25
He talks to me. He talks about it, and he tells me it's
okay.
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Q
Did you talk to anybody about that experience?
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