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IN
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JADE TRAING, LLC, by and
through ROBERT W. ERVIN AND
LAUR KAVANAUGH ERVIN on
behalf of ERVIN CAPìTAL, LLC, Partners Other Than the Tax Matters Partner,
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Docket No.:
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BEFORE: HONORALE MAY ELLEN COSTER WILLIAMS
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APPEACES:
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DAVID D. AUGHTRY, Esquire
LINDA S. PAINE i Esquire
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Chamberlain, Hrdlicka, White, Williams & Martin
191 Peachtree Street, N. E., 9th Floor
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For the Defendant: STUART J. BASSIN, Esquire MATTHEW C. HICKS, Esquire MICHAEL S. RAUM, Esquire
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JENNIFER P. WILSON, Esquire
U.S. Department of Justice Tax Division P.O. Box 55 Washington, D.C. 20044 (202) 307-6542
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CONTENTS
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DIRECT CROSS REDIRECT RECROSS DIRE
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2 DEFENDANT'S EXHIBITS: IDENTIFIED RECEIVED DESCRIPTION 3 965 9-8-00 letter from 525 4 Bricker to Dudzinsky 5 526 990 992 7-26-99 bil by Curtis Mallet
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1 1 PROCEEDINGS 1 23 THE COURT: Let's go a.m.) 2 2 (8:14 on the record. 3 3
1 He found a half a dozen documents. Those
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11 11 things that came up yesterday in my absence; one 11 12 12 relating to documents from Mr. Starke's computer. And 12
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5 5 MR. BASSIN: Your Honor, thank you for your 5
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6 MR. BASSIN: That's what our letter said. 7 MR. AUGHTRY: We meet with the witness. We 8 depose the witness. He says he has not checked his
9 computer yet for whatever fies and documents he may
9 9 MR. BASSIN: It's getting better. 9 10 10 I understand that there were two procedural 10
10 have. We suspend the deposition, ask him to go back 11 and check and see what he has got on his computer.
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13 relating to a draft of a ruling, about which we don't
13 13 I have here a copy of a letter that we sent to Mr. 13
14 14 Aughtry on August 2nd, and I would like to provide a 14
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well. 16 17 17 MR. BASSIN: It's paragraph 1 that matters. 17
15 conversation with counsel for Defendant.
16 We learn yesterday that there are five,
17 maybe a half dozen documents, and somehow they were
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19 19 regarding documents on Mr. Starke's computer, and 19 20 20 we've said, 'With one exception, we have determined 20
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20 claim. I don't see how that's possible.
21 21 that all fies on Mr. Starke's computer were included 21
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21 MR. BASSIN: But that's not correct. 22 THE COURT: I don't think thats what the
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23 23 subject to a pnvilege claim in Manott." 23 24 24 There was one exception. It's a one-page 24
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3 THE COURT: Correct. 4 MR. AUGHTRY: Right.
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6 number of them which were duplicates. My 7 understanding, and we wil confirm that today, is that
8 there were a significant number of them were 9 duplicates of what was in the hard paper file which 10 had already been reviewed, produced, and pnvilege had
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14 14 MR. AUGHTRY: We asked for all of the 14 15 15 documents this gentleman had relating to this matter, 15
11 been asserted on, with the one exception. That's what
12 the letter says. 13 THE COURT: We need a list of the document.
14 MR. BASSIN: Okay. And if need be, we can
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16 16 relating to our inquiry here, and relating to his work 16 17 17 associated with what we have referred to as the 17
18 18 Helmer/Cram memo. We now understand there are five 18
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16 THE COURT: Title, date author.
17 MR. BASSIN: - down early next week.
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18 MR. AUGHTRY: That would be fine. 19 THE COURT: Does that satisfy you? 20 MR. AUGHTRY: That would be fine, Your
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22 MR. BASSIN: Okay. Your Honor, there was a
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MR. AUGHTRY: Yes, Your Honor. 2 THE COURT: Any other preliminary matters? 3 MR. BASSIN: Your Honor, of course, we are 4 reserving the right to argue on brief that it's 5 irrelevant and it's meaningless. 6 THE COURT: Right. Well, it hasn't been 7 admitted yet. 8 MR. BASSIN: Okay. 9 THE COURT: He's going to offer it. 10 MR. AUGHTRY: Right. Nothing preliminary
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12 else, we would like to proceed with our next witness. 13 THE COURT: You may. 14 MR. AUGHTRY: Thank you, Your Honor. 15 Plaintiffs take pleasure in callng Mr. 16 Abraham Pfeiffer to the stand. 17 Whereupon, 18 ABRAHAM PFEIFFER 19 having been duly swom, was called as a 20 witness, and was examined and testified as follows: 21 THE COURT: Be seated. Make yourself 22 comfortable. 23 THE WITNESS: Thank you.
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8 And there is a concept called the prime 9 broker, which provides for all trades that a person or 10 a fund or an entity does to settle in one place, so it 11 has all the reporting in one place, all the cash in 12 one place. They settle all the trades for the client, 13 and that was my final project. 14 BY MR. AUGHTRY: 15 Q And when you -- you left Goldman, you said,
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And where did you go at that stage? left to found, to open up Sentinel 20 Advisors in March of 1997. 21 Q With whom? 22 A With Ari Bergmann. 23 Q And how did you know Mr. Bergmann? 24 A We're neighbors. 25 Q All right.
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